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Merged Depleted uranium

thaiboxerken said:
It really bothers me that people actually believe the tabloid nonsense about depleted uranium being a radioactive threat to society. These fools have no freaking clue about radioactivity or what the properties of depleted uranium are, do they? Ignorance just pisses me off. The resistance to being educated angers me even more.

http://boards.courttv.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=6083775#post6083775
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I disagree, that stuff is every bit as dangerous as GM crops and chemtrails. :p
 
I see the latest post (by Ralounews.com) is at last an attempt to argue seriously.

Of course, it doesn't help that he links to the steele foundation and tries to play the link off as if they have no motive to lie about the danger of DU in Iraq... How about profit motive? They are in the munitions clean-up industry.

He also links to a webpage that states "a total of 109 Italian soldiers have died [in Iraq] thus far due to exposure to depleted uranium."

This is a fairly interesting claim, given that, in fact, only 22 Italian soldiers have died in Iraq. I think you need to pin him down on exactly what he thinks this link is saying, and why he believes it's credible.
 
The thing about liberals is that they seem to abandon science if it goes against the agenda of peace. Then again, the conservatives do the same thing to science for their own agendas.
 
It's radioactive waste and its use as a weapon violates the Geneva conventions.

You are right, U-238 is not radiologically hazardous, but what about the highly radioactive daughter products? Learn about them, they kill!
 
bobdroege7 said:
It's radioactive waste and its use as a weapon violates the Geneva conventions.

You are right, U-238 is not radiologically hazardous, but what about the highly radioactive daughter products? Learn about them, they kill!
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Those daughter isotopes are only present at pretty low levels at any one time. I think you will also find that high velocity DU kills far more effectively.
 
bobdroege7 said:
It's radioactive waste and its use as a weapon violates the Geneva conventions.

You are right, U-238 is not radiologically hazardous, but what about the highly radioactive daughter products? Learn about them, they kill!
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Wow! Okay. Educate me. What are the daughter products of U-238? At what rate are they produced per gram of U-238?

Additionally, where is U-238 defined as 'radioactive waste' and what section (chapter and verse) prohibits its use?

Finally, would you rather ingest (by whatever means) a gram or two of uranium or a gram or two of lead?
 
It's amazing, the anit-DU people have even defeated themselves by producing a study that says that the exposure from DU at a couple of war sites hasn't been sufficient and is below recommended exposure limits. I pointed this out, and they still haven't really let it sink in. True bleevers really have hard shells to crack.
 
Now they detest me for following scientific "dogma".

Wow, believers tend to use the same strategy no matter what the claim.
 
On the claims of Italian casualties, I wonder why they believe such deaths could happen so quickly. Radiation-caused cancers would be long-term. Such quick death due to toxicity would have to be from overwhelming doses. Heavy metal poisoning takes a long time to kill, and usually does not kill.

If a population of 5000 or so experiences 100 deaths due to radiological or toxicological contamination, we would expect quite a few men to have non-fatal radiation and toxic poisoning.

The claim, of course, brings up the obvious question: How many thousands of US troops would we expect to have died from DU poisoning by now? Americans are not more resistant to DU, that I know of. To say nothing of the hundreds of thousands of Kuwaitis who would have died since the 1991 Gulf War.

MattJ
 
aerocontrols said:
The claim, of course, brings up the obvious question: How many thousands of US troops would we expect to have died from DU poisoning by now? Americans are not more resistant to DU, that I know of. To say nothing of the hundreds of thousands of Kuwaitis who would have died since the 1991 Gulf War.

MattJ
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Why can't there be differences? After all, Americans seem to be the only people in the world susceptible to "Gulf War Syndrome". ;)
 
Rob Lister said:
Wow! Okay. Educate me. What are the daughter products of U-238? At what rate are they produced per gram of U-238?

Additionally, where is U-238 defined as 'radioactive waste' and what section (chapter and verse) prohibits its use?

Finally, would you rather ingest (by whatever means) a gram or two of uranium or a gram or two of lead?
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Here you go: link

There you will find alot of information about the radiological and biological toxicities of uranium. None of the links or info on that page seems to answer your second question, unfortunately.
 
WildCat said:
Why can't there be differences? After all, Americans seem to be the only people in the world susceptible to "Gulf War Syndrome". ;)
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There could be differences.

However:

Reaction in Europe

Italy Last month announced an investigation into the illnesses of 30 soldiers who served in the Balkans, five of whom died of leukaemia. Last week demanded Nato look into the risks

Germany Defence ministry is to review all cases of leukaemia in the military. Chancellor Gerhard Schröder yesterday backed the call for a full investigation

Russia Foreign minister Igor Ivanov yesterday called for an independent inquiry

Portugal Yesterday began screening 10,000 personnel who have served in the Balkans since 1996

Norway Yesterday offered check-up for 20,000 soldiers

Belgium Health questionnaires sent to 12,000 troops. Group of soldiers plan civil suit against the government

United Nations Urgent appeal to the World Health Organisation to send public health experts to monitor the possible risks to civilians.
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From the ever-reliable Guardian
 
Rob Lister said:
Wow! Okay. Educate me. What are the daughter products of U-238? At what rate are they produced per gram of U-238?
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There's a nice graphic here that may come close enough to answering your questions to make you happy. Or better yet, to answer the question you probably really want to have answered.
 
U-238 has a halflife of 4.51 billion years, which is a figure pretty close to the actual life of the earth so far.
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Yea, the daughter products of U-238 sure are a big concern to me.
 
aerocontrols said:
There could be differences.

However:



From the ever-reliable Guardian
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I predict that the result of those studies will be inconclusive, and there will be a call for more studies.

OK, and it's NATO soldiers who are susceptible to the disease. Not Kuwaiti, or Saudi, or Iraqi, or Syrian soldiers or civilians. And it is caused by oil well fires, no I mean bombed WMD sites, oops I mean DU, or whatever else they can think of after those are ruled out. (MRE's?).
 
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