Dems Almost Win!

[Dancing David]

I voted for John Kerry because he was my chimp, I would vote for chimp before I would vote for Dubya. I don't believe that Bush is the anti christ there are a majority of his policies I disagree with. Also I would say that Kerry was an old fashioned conservative Democrat, certainly not a progressive.

But the day after the election I get to hear the republican spinners talking about
1. The overwhelming mandate for Bush.
2. How the Democrats are so far from the mainstream that they need to realign the party.

Number Two first: They almost one the election by just winning the most populous states! A mistaken strategy but one that was almost effective. If you actualy look at the poll numbers many of the states were only a percentage point away from a Kerry win. Therefore it was not the sweeping idealogical win for Bush that say Regan had. Republicans should not gloat about thier mandate, it was a squeaker of an election.

1.Bush won by a slim margin he got "the most popular votes in history" well, sigh Kerry got "the second largetst number of popular votes in history."



Bush says that he will try to win my trust I give him six weeks.

 

[Rob Lister]

Bush says that he will try to win my trust I give him six weeks.

Sorry. The mandate was for four years.

 

[Dancing David]

Re: Re: Dems Almost Win!

Sorry. The mandate was for four years.

Sigh, I can always hope for impeachment. Maybe he could meet Monica L.

 

[UserGoogol]

Unless he does something substantially stupid, Bush is unlikely to be impeached by a Republican congress, and we won't have a chance at a Democratic one until 2006. And when you take into effect the fact that it takes a certain amount of time to build up a proper case against Bush, the odds of him becoming impeached before 2008 becomes pretty slim.

 

[Ziggurat]

But the day after the election I get to hear the republican spinners talking about
1. The overwhelming mandate for Bush.

What, you expected anything different? You think a narrow Kerry win, despite republican gains in congress, wouldn't have also been touted as a mandate? Yeah, yeah, they're spinning. Big deal.

2. How the Democrats are so far from the mainstream that they need to realign the party.

Well, yes. They do need to realign the party, or else they'll continue to lose ground in congress. And believe it or not, I'm saying that as a democrat, who WANTS the democrats to regain political control. But they can't, won't, and shouldn't as long as they think that sticking someone like Micheal Moore in a prominant place at their convention is an acceptable idea.

 

[valis]

Bush's margin in Ohio alone was larger that Kennedy's popular vote margin nationwide. So I guess Kennedy had no mandate either. Funny I never hear that mentioned.

 

[Dancing David]

Re: Re: Dems Almost Win!

What, you expected anything different? You think a narrow Kerry win, despite republican gains in congress, wouldn't have also been touted as a mandate? Yeah, yeah, they're spinning. Big deal.

I find it a big deal, I am very tired of the spinning, it removes any meaning from the debate. I realize that it is a return to the roots of american politics, I just find it annoying. I would call a mandate like 80% of the electorate. But as a contrarian I would say so what? There is no mandate in american politics. I like what i read about Eisenhower, he vetoed more bills thatn any other president.

Well, yes. They do need to realign the party, or else they'll continue to lose ground in congress. And believe it or not, I'm saying that as a democrat, who WANTS the democrats to regain political control. But they can't, won't, and shouldn't as long as they think that sticking someone like Micheal Moore in a prominant place at their convention is an acceptable idea.

Now there we agree, you see I only recently commited to giving up on 'independant' and calling myself a democrat. I would like to see more of the fiscal responsibility and progressive side of the party. For one they could start by dumping the unions, gasp, antiquated behemoths that they are.

I think that Micheal Moore is about as good as Karl Rowe, my point is that the DEms came very close to winning the election.

 

[Dancing David]

Hi there!

Bush's margin in Ohio alone was larger that Kennedy's popular vote margin nationwide. So I guess Kennedy had no mandate either. Funny I never hear that mentioned.

Yeah,so?

The 1964 was also the election with the highest turn out of the electorate, you didn't mention that did you?

Or the fact that Nixon went on to be a very popular President with a very high margin or victory, you didn't mention that did you.

I was seven at the time so I couldn't vote but a lot of Kennedy's mandate came form the fact that he pushed a social agenda that was already 'common wisdom'. I think that JFK was a dangerous kook myself. he did many good things for our nation and he almost destroyed the world. Beside that whole Vietnam thing.

 

[Nasarius]

Bush's margin in Ohio alone was larger that Kennedy's popular vote margin nationwide. So I guess Kennedy had no mandate either. Funny I never hear that mentioned.

The "mandate" thing usually comes on re-election. Compared to other incumbents, Bush's margin was relatively slim.

 

[Rob Lister]

The "mandate" thing usually comes on re-election. Compared to other incumbents, Bush's margin was relatively slim.

I agree. The Bush margin was slim. So was the republican senate margin. So was the republican house margin. All of them were almost as slim as the last election(s) (depending on how you count and I forgot how the governor races played out.)

But it's starting to add up.

I hope the Dems don't think that they can 'get saved' or be 'born again' to regain ground. If they do, they are misunderstanding the mandate that really isn't.

 

[Kodiak]

Re: Re: Re: Dems Almost Win!

Sigh, I can always hope for impeachment. Maybe he could meet Monica L.

It's not Monica you should want him to meet, but a judge in a courtroom. Then he has to lie under oath...

Slick Willie wasn't impeached for having sex, but for violating the rule of law.