Cure for cold

[Questioninggeller]

I have developed that solution 3 years ago and have tested it on over 40 people (mainly my family).

Just on a side note, how was this "developed" in a lab? a basement? a bar? at a research facility?

And what's in this "remedy"cough medicine? Pepsi?

Lastly, how do you know it works? When I get sick, sometimes I do nothing, and my body (immune system) "cures" me.

 

[Questioninggeller]

Re: Sure

OK, I am ready to follow any protocol required to prove that it works. (I will foot the bill for all expences). Is this fair enough?

That's what it says in the rules. Just to be sure, you might give them a one over again.

 

[nathan]

Here are some answers:
Can we ask what technology it is based on? The technology is combination of herbs and one more ingredient I can not describe right at this moment, but I will on the preliminary protocol.[/B]

You haven't described ANY ingredient with specifity. There are thousands of herbacious plants. Is the non-herbacious ingredient water? (seeing as how you think it's homeopathic)

Originally posted by n2o2 Obviously we don't expect the details, but have you discovered some form of antiviral agent? I did not discover anything, just combine all known ingredients. [/B]

Er, you mixed together everything in the known universe and put it in a bottle? Or (even more improbably ) you mixed together every combination of everything in the known universe and picked the one that worked. I don't believe you really mean 'all known ingredients'.

Originally posted by n2o2 Does it work on known aspects of biology? Yes, it does not allow virus/microbes to feed and they basically starve.[/B]

Viruses don't feed, they coopt the host's cells metabolism to reproduce. Does it destroy the patient's intestinal bacteria, causing the patient to starve too?

Originally posted by n2o2 Or is it a homeopathic remedy? I think it probably is.[/B]

You don't know how diluted it is?

 

[webfusion]

n202 , you need to focus on what your claim really is, since so far, from what we are seeing here, the Challenge is not something you are anywhere near ready for.

On the one hand, you indicated:
"I will continue using it since it works for me. Will I share the recipe? Probably yes once I know I can not make money on it. If I find the way to make money from it, I will probably not share the recipe."

yet immediately afterwards, you said:
"Meanwhile, I will go into production with this “stuff” and will probably release it by the next winter under the trade name of “Freedom spray”. I know that many people will ignore it..."

(a strange statement, considering that many people also ignore their health in general.)


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n202 , you are encouraged to read the Challenge FAQ:

"Probably this is not 'paranormal', I agree. Homeopathic may be. The active ingredient is less than .01% of the solution."

Homeopathic effect is by definition parnormal.

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In this thread, you have described what you plan on doing for the next step in several different ways:

------- "Probably the next step is to go to universities and provide them a grant to study this remedy. I think it is a good idea and I will follow up on it in the next few days. May be UCLA."


------- "Looks like what I am going to do as the next step" is to go to the US FDA Center for Drug Evaluation and Research http://www.fda.gov/cder/index.html ), and pass their requirements to show that this medicine is safe and effective.

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One other thing that you aren't clear about:

"My plan is to go ahead and submit the application, describe everything to the best of my knowledge, accept any protocol that they may request from me and see where this is going to go.

No. That is not how the Challenge works!
YOU must devise the protocol and revise it and revise it again, until it is signed by Randi and becomes a finalized roadmap for the preliminary, and also for the final, tests.

"We do not design the protocol independently of the applicant, who must provide clear guidelines so that the test may be properly set."

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The idea of it being "minty" makes me sick to my stomach.

 

[nathan]

Re: Thank you for feedback

But this claim is only paranormal if the stuff inside the bottle is paranormal.Probably this is not paranormal, I agree. Homeopathic may be. The active ingredient is less than .01% of the solution.

It would have to be a *lot* less than that to be homeopathic. Homeopathic doesages are like 10^-30 or 10^-60 (yes, this does mean there is no active ingredient).

 

[Ashles]

Each of the components of the mixture has some antibacterial properties that are well described in literature.

Viruses aren't bacteria. That's quite an important distinction - bacteria we can kill, viruses we can't.

I have taken individual herbs before to ease the symptoms. I also felt that some are more effective than others. At the end, I started mixing them together to see if I improve the effect. I believe that I was able to improve the effect to the point where it stops cold, cold (pun intended).

But how are you checking you improved the effect? If you don't get a cold then continue to not get a cold, why would you think it is because of your mixture?

Probably the next step is to go to universities and provide them a grant to study this remedy. I think it is a good idea and I will follow up on it in the next few days. May be UCLA.

I wouldn't get too hopeful - they are going to want to have quite a few details before funding research into this.

I am not able to debate this issue due to lack of knowledge in this area. Probably a study needs to be done to find out how it works. My understanding is that viruses double every 20 or so minutes. With this in mind I have recommended to use the spray every 20 minutes or so as to prevent cell damage and decrease in number of viruses in your throat and nose.

So if you don't actually know anything about viruses, what makes you think you are 'starving' them? (As mentioned this isn't possible anyway as it is not how viruses function)

I am assuming this isn't all a joke post (if the name was n2o I would be more suspicous).

If you are serious I am surprised you have not researched viruses in a little more detail. You certainly wont get funding just saying you reckon it works, without any further details.

And also, as posted above, you really need to ask your lawyer why it couldn't be patented. Not asking that question stretches the bounds of credibility.
Again as requested above could we know the number of just one of your patents?

Not that we don't believe you, but... this is a sceptical website.

 

[KRAMER]

Dear Rob,
Can you please tell me the number of one of your patents?
It does not look like I can maintain my anonymity(
I do not blame you, you do not need to trust me, and after all you do not even know me. I am not sure how to address this issue at this stage.

Not sure how to address it?

Perhaps by being HONEST.

What kind of patent holder refuses to reveal even ONE of his 30 patent numbers? The kind that doesn't even have one.

More BS.

 

[n2o2]

Dear Kramer,

Most of the things people say here are reflections of themselves. And it is OK.

Since you have access to this forum as moderator, please look up my e-mail address and then go to the www.uspto.gov and search under my name. I hope you can post here that what I have said is true. I will accept your apology.

 

[SezMe]

Kreamer, should I apply?

Hey, Kramer, I like this. I think you have found your new "public" name: Kramer the Kreamer. Nice ring to it, eh?

 

[KRAMER]

More of a dull thud, in my humble opinion.

 

[KRAMER]

Dear Kramer,

Most of the things people say here are reflections of themselves. And it is OK.

Since you have access to this forum as moderator, please look up my e-mail address and then go to the www.uspto.gov and search under my name. I hope you can post here that what I have said is true. I will accept your apology.

Pass. You can post the data forum members have been asking for right here. I'm no more special than any of them, and no more deserving of your secrets, either.

If you actually ever apply for the Challenge, your real name will be a matter of open record here anyway, so what's the point in delaying the inevitable?

Or are you planning on never really applying?

 

[webfusion]

Not applying?

Or are you planning on never really applying?

Freedom Mint Spray is 'going to market', as the next step.
The JREF Challenge is somewhere on the list of his next steps, perhaps down there along with "fund UCLA research" and "attend a meeting with my patent attorney and bring along an interpreter"

http://www.westons.com/acatalog/Onl...ns_Fragrances_Tommy_Hilfiger.html#a1-H6-27-01

"Freedom" is already a trademarked name for Tommy Hilfiger (spray cologne)

Next case.

 

[n2o2]

Everyone who responded:

Thank you for all of your comments and questions. I was happy to hear each of your opinions and recommendation. Your questions are straight to the point and made me understand what the challenge is all about.

 

[webfusion]

Insight like this is insightful

Most of the things people say here are reflections of themselves.

Actually, the things KRAMER says are reflections of James Randi. The things I say are reflections of Markie Post, and the things LostAngeles says are reflections of Elvis Presley.

But no matter, point well taken.

Can you tell us, what do you understand the Challenge really to be about?
Inquiring minds want to know.

 

[n2o2]

Hi Webfusion,

Can you tell us, what do you understand the Challenge really to be about?

I think the best way to understand the Challenge is to read and re-read the FAQ that has most of the answers. Also the application itself provides a lot of information. Personally I am in agreement with James Randi and I think that his approach is correct too.

Since each of you perceives my statements based on your own experiences, the responses were quite interesting and intriguing. Disbelief is ramped on this forum which I think is needed to weed out fake and bring out real.

Money talks and James Randi put the money on the table. To me this is very respectable. I offered to pay for experiment and equipment on the other thread on this forum, but she refused to accept it.

All in all, you are good bunch of people and you have a purpose. Keep up the good work.

 

[webfusion]

The Best Way

To understand the Challenge, is to apply for it.

Everything else is theoretical mumbo-jumbo.
Fascinating from an intellectual perspective, but useless in getting anything resolved about the paranormal.

Case in point, Electrosensitivity.
Case in point, Magnetic Man.
Case in point, Freedom Mint Spray.

The FAQ was designed to encourage people to apply, by putting them at ease about various aspects that caused hesitation or trepidation about the rules or the process and even endless rounds of back-and-forth with KRAMER.

Did you find the FAQ was an impetus for you to decide NOT to apply?

"Disbelief is ramped (sic ---- rampant?) on this forum which I think is needed to weed out fake and bring out real."

Which are you?

 

[Zep]

Before you go...! n2o2, I have some questions for you taht might help you with this.

You say the product has a minty smell/taste when you use it? Is that correct? Is one of the ingredients mint leaf or menthol?

Since it is a spray, what is the base liquid that you use to make the product? Demineralised water? Tap water? Medicinal alcohol?

Have you tried making batches of the product WITHOUT one or two of the ingredients, to see if their absence makes any difference to the product effectiveness (i.e. they are a superfluous and therefore expensive addition to the product)?

Do any of the herbal products you add contain already known medicinal compounds, for example: astringents, alkaloids, alcohols, oils, etc?

Hope you can answer.

 

[n2o2]

Dear Webfusion,

Thank you for our explanations.

Which are you?

I am the one who is going to follow FAQ and instructions on application and really make sure I have all of the answers before I apply. The questions are simple but the answers must be precise, and I do not have precise answers right now.

The bottom line is: I need to do my homework, and I intend to do it before I send my application.

 

[n2o2]

Dear Zep,

You say the product has a minty smell/taste when you use it? Is that correct? Is one of the ingredients mint leaf or menthol?
Yes, it includes mint extract to improve taste.

Since it is a spray, what is the base liquid that you use to make the product? Demineralised water? Tap water? Medicinal alcohol?
It includes distilled water and it also has .01% alcohol

Have you tried making batches of the product WITHOUT one or two of the ingredients, to see if their absence makes any difference to the product effectiveness (i.e. they are a superfluous and therefore expensive addition to the product)?
I have made the solution without the active ingredient and gave it to my wife to use. Few weeks later she told me that I need to make a new batch since she does not feel that this one working. (Not a scientific proof)

Do any of the herbal products you add contain already known medicinal compounds, for example: astringents, alkaloids, alcohols, oils, etc?
The only one I am aware is alcohol

 

[webfusion]

not even anecdotal proof

"Few weeks later my wife told me that I need to make a new batch since she does not feel that this one working. (Not a scientific proof)"

Did she get a cold? That would constitute anecdotal proof, at least. Her merely claiming to 'feel' that it isn't working is gibberish. If I take a spoonful of Pepto Bismol to stop heartburn and that effect is achieved, I can clearly attribute the action to the product working as indicated. If I don't have any heartburn to begin with, and take the product, can I then claim it worked?

This whole minty thing is a no-go.
I want cherry or berry. So does my son. He refuses anything minty. Yeccchhh.

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I'll wait to see what Zep has in mind, that line of questioning must have a specific purpose...