• Quick note - the problem with Youtube videos not embedding on the forum appears to have been fixed, thanks to ZiprHead. If you do still see problems let me know.

Cure for cold

Here are some answers:

Can we ask what technology it is based on?
The technology is combination of herbs and one more ingredient I can not describe right at this moment, but I will on the preliminary protocol.

Obviously we don't expect the details, but have you discovered some form of antiviral agent?
I did not discover anything, just combine all known ingredients.


Does it work on known aspects of biology?
Yes, it does not allow virus/microbes to feed and they basically starve.


Or is it a specific herb that you just feel prevents colds?
I also feel (may be a bad word) use it myself all of the time I need it. My wife, my kis and most of my family use it too.

Or is it a homeopathic remedy?
I think it probably is.

Could you tell us roughly what area your spray falls into?
I would say that it probably falls under homeopathy.

And are you medically trained?
I am computer engineer by trade. I am not medically trained. I have medical experience based on the products I developed for medical industry.

Also where, roughly, are you located?
Fullerton, CA, USA

I really appreciate all of your comments. I think that preliminary review like on this board is great. I do not get inflamed by any of them and I think each question deserves honest answer. I’ll do everything to answer all of your questions as clear as possible.

Questions that are placed on this board are direct and are intended to separate truth from fiction. I understand that.
 
------------------------------
Can nose drops really cause cold to break out? I was at a lecture about cold many years ago, and one message that stuck with me was that these vira lived in our bodies all the time, and that people exposed to a lot of them did not develop more colds than others. The idea being that there were other factors that caused a cold to develop.
__________________
Steen
------------------------------

Dear Steen,

It is not correct. The common cold changes from year to year and you will get sick I you are exposed to the virus. Once you get sick your body will develop antivirus and this will prevent you from getting sick with the same strain of cold next time.

Unfortunately cold virus changes so fast that every year you have to start again. And I you are exposed to the different strains of cold you will get sick more than one time.

Contrary to popular believe: you do not get sick because you get cold, tired, do not get enough sleep etc. It is probably a contributing factor of decreased immunity of your body but the culprit is still a small microorganism.

One of the simplest ways to avoid cold is to wash your hands many times a day. Do not touch you nose, eyes and mouth during the day, and use protective mask. Unfortunately that is not possible all of the time, especially if you are in a public place.

The answer is: YES - drops with a cold virus of the strain that you were not exposed to will make you sick.
 
Thank you for your answers.

Have you contacted any medical labs or universities with your product?

And what evidence do you have that this actually prevents colds - by which I'm also asking what led you to believe this combination of herbs would work in the first place?

Trial and error would be very difficult with something as hard to predict as a cold.

Yes, it does not allow virus/microbes to feed and they basically starve.
Click to expand...
I'm a little curious as to this stage. I'm no expert on viruses but I seem to recall that they don't 'eat' as such.

A quick check on Wikipedia shows this:
Steps associated with viral reproduction
Attachment, sometimes called absorption: The virus attaches to receptors on the host cell wall.
Injection: The nucleic acid of the virus moves through the plasma membrane and into the cytoplasm of the host cell. The capsid of a phage, a bacterial virus, remains on the outside. In contrast, many viruses that infect animal cells enter the host cell intact.
Replication: The viral genome contains all the information necessary to produce new viruses. Once inside the host cell, the virus induces the host cell to synthesize the necessary components for its replication.
Assembly: The newly synthesized viral components are assembled into new viruses.
Lysis: Assembled viruses are released from the cell and can now infect other cells, and the process begins again.
Click to expand...
Does your spray claim to interrupt one or more of these stages?

(I'llbow to anyone else's superior knowledge of viruses here - like, what actually is the plural of virus?)
 
To date, all I have is anecdotal evidence that it works. I tried it and it works on me, there is very little evidence I have on the percentage of people that it will work on.

And what evidence do you have that this actually prevents colds - by which I'm also asking what led you to believe this combination of herbs would work in the first place?
Each of the components of the mixture has some antibacterial properties that are well described in literature. I have taken individual herbs before to ease the symptoms. I also felt that some are more effective than others. At the end, I started mixing them together to see if I improve the effect. I believe that I was able to improve the effect to the point where it stops cold, cold (pun intended).

Have you contacted any medical labs or universities with your product?
Probably the next step is to go to universities and provide them a grant to study this remedy. I think it is a good idea and I will follow up on it in the next few days. May be UCLA.

I'm a little curious as to this stage. I'm no expert on viruses but I seem to recall that they don't 'eat' as such.

I am not able to debate this issue due to lack of knowledge in this area. Probably a study needs to be done to find out how it works. My understanding is that viruses double every 20 or so minutes. With this in mind I have recommended to use the spray every 20 minutes or so as to prevent cell damage and decrease in number of viruses in your throat and nose.

Does your spray claim to interrupt one or more of these stages?
I do not have an answer to this question. I am sorry.
 
Good afternoon.
I believe the plural of virus is viruses.

JPK
 
It works on me, too. All I had to do was read about it and I haven't gotten a cold yet...
 
n2o2 said:
To date, all I have is anecdotal evidence that it works. I tried it and it works on me, there is very little evidence I have on the percentage of people that it will work on.
Click to expand...

Anecdotal evidence is NOT evidence. It's heresay.

And are you unaware that the common cold will go away with or without any "remedy"?

You also state that you "think" the remedy is homeopathic.
Do you know what the word "homeopathic" means, or rather, what it is commonly known to represent?

I think that applying for the Challenge is (in the first place) highly premature, at best, and in the second place, most likely to be not acceptable.

Like other forum members, I suggest that you patent your remedy and make kazillions instead of our paltry million.

If it really works, that is, and you yourself have admitted that you have no idea whether or not it does. Except of course on yourself.
 
response to Kramer

Dear Kramer,

Thank you very much for your candid response. Here are some answers:

And are you unaware that the common cold will go away with or without any "remedy"?
Yes I am aware that cold will go away by itself. In fact there is no know medicine (fda approved) that will cure it. The ones that are available on the market only relief the symptoms. I content that my product has merit and will prevent and stop cold.

Do you know what the word "homeopathic" means, or rather, what it is commonly known to represent?
“Homeopathy is a system of medicine that is based on the Law of Similars” whatever it means. You are probably correct that I do not understand this word. So I do not know if my product is or is not homeopathic.

I suggest that you patent your remedy and make kazillions instead of our paltry million. I have a patent attorney on staff full time (I hold over 30 patents). At this point he told me that it can not be patented ( I do not know details why not). So there goes my kazillion from that remedy.

If it really works, that is, and you yourself have admitted that you have no idea whether or not it does.
I have used this product for the last 3-4 years with results that overshadow anything else. My parents use it (mom 72 and dad 78) and have not had cold for 3 years. My brother and his wife use it my 2 kids use it. I still consider that sample anecdotal. I have a table at work where I have 100 bottle at any given time. Any employee that is getting sick can use it any time. To date absence due to cold has dropped by 50% (we track it at work). I have many more examples – but I still think that you would consider that anecdotal.
I think my next step would be to try to find someone who can conduct the study.

Some questions to Kramer:

1. Would you be so kind and explain to me how this type of cure can qualify for your prize.

2. What information do you need not to consider it premature?

P.S.
It is not the money but the challenge that interests me. (but money would be nice too)
 
Answer to ReFleX

Dear ReFLeX

Were you infected with cold before you read this post? :)
 
"My parents use it (mom 72 and dad 78) and have not had cold for 3 years."

What a coincidence. I don't use it, nor do I take particular steps to avoid disease (well, flu vaccines, but that's it), and it's likewise been years since I had a cold.

If you're going to accept their evidence that it does work, for consistency, you'll have to accept my evidence that it doesn't work.

And I know an old teacher of mine, some Mr. Buchner, who boasted in his shop class that he hadn't gotten sick in five years or so... The same goes for several other teachers at my boarding school; I spent four years there, and there are many faculty that I don't remember getting sick, ever...

Anyone else here not get sick often?
 
Drostie said:
"My parents use it (mom 72 and dad 78) and have not had cold for 3 years."

What a coincidence. I don't use it, nor do I take particular steps to avoid disease (well, flu vaccines, but that's it), and it's likewise been years since I had a cold.

If you're going to accept their evidence that it does work, for consistency, you'll have to accept my evidence that it doesn't work.

And I know an old teacher of mine, some Mr. Buchner, who boasted in his shop class that he hadn't gotten sick in five years or so... The same goes for several other teachers at my boarding school; I spent four years there, and there are many faculty that I don't remember getting sick, ever...

Anyone else here not get sick often?
Click to expand...

I can tell you why your teachers rarely got sick. It's the same reason my mom rarely gets sick and the same reason I used to rarely get sick.

Every single child is an infectious playground of disease. Schools, daycares, the arcade I worked at, are all just giant freaking petri dishes. By the time you reach high school you pretty much have developed immunities because you've been around the same kids for so long. Enter a new one of these enviroments and you'll get a nasty cold (or if you're less lucky, the flu) that'll lay you up for a day. After that, you tend to be fine.
 
Re: response to Kramer

n2o2 said:
Dear Kramer,

Thank you very much for your candid response. Here are some answers:

I have a patent attorney on staff full time (I hold over 30 patents).
Click to expand...

This is just a shot in the dark but if you have a patent attorney on staff full time then I would think you wouldn't even bother with the million: chump change.

Can you please tell me the number of one of your patents? Just one, not thirty.
 
Like Rob Lister said, but also, this involves some kind of substance, presuming it works, why would you argue that it's paranormal?

It's a substance, you take it, you say that you get less colds. Doesn't sound paranormal to me.
 
Answer to Drostie

Dear Drostie,

You are making good points. I accept all of them and understand your view.

Anyone else here not get sick often?
Sure many people will tell you they are not getting sick often, in reality most of them do not remember 3-5 month after they had a cold. So I tend to agree with you. This particular product works for me and this is not hearsay. Now I will ignore all other people who tell me it also works on them since it would not be acceptable on this forum.

I will continue using it since it works for me. Will I share the recipe? Probably yes once I know I can not make money on it. If I find the way to make money from it, I will probably not share the recipe. (I will provide it for the challenge)

It would be nice if someone can offer constructive criticism and advice how to proceed.

What can I do to remove your skepticism?

What can I do to prepare information sufficient to apply for the $1M prize?

If you do not think I have any chance for the prize, so be it.

Respectfully
 
Dear Rob,

This is just a shot in the dark but if you have a patent attorney on staff full time then I would think you wouldn't even bother with the million: chump change.
Yes you are correct; it is just a chump change for me. But who would refuse $1M if there is an opportunity to make it.

Can you please tell me the number of one of your patents?
It does not look like I can maintain my anonymity:((
I do not blame you, you do not need to trust me, and after all you do not even know me. I am not sure how to address this issue at this stage.
 
Re: response to Kramer

n2o2 said:
I have a patent attorney on staff full time (I hold over 30 patents). At this point he told me that it can not be patented ( I do not know details why not). So there goes my kazillion from that remedy.
Click to expand...
Are you seriously taking the word of your patent attorney that it cannot be patented without even asking why? I find that incredible. Even if you had no interest in personal wealth (which I find unlikely, since you retain a patent attorney), you owe it to the world to find a way to get this miracle cure to the market. Don't just accept the word of your lawyer, investigate it!
 
What can you do to remove our skepticism? Go to the US FDA Center for Drug Evaluation and Research ( http://www.fda.gov/cder/index.html ), and pass their requirements to show that your medicine is safe and effective.

Then come back here and laugh in our faces.

I really don't know how you'd plan on getting the 1/100 chance necessary to pass the preliminary. People don't have high probabilities of getting sick, and the placebo effect is reasonably high. Also, a great deal of the projected testing would be immoral, or non-conclusive.

It sounds like you have Phase 1 completed -- ensuring that your drug doesn't flat-out kill people. So then comes phase 2.

For this, you should find 100 people who have viruses and want your treatment. 50 of them should take yours, 50 should take a placebo. In a week, examine them again. If you beat chance, let's say beating the placebo group by 20% or more, then you would pass the test.

But this claim is only paranormal if the stuff inside the bottle is paranormal. You probably wouldn't let forum members judge this, and it would require a combination of the JREF and some knowledgable doctors.

If you really CAN cure the common cold, you're sitting on a goldmine.
 
Drostie said:

Anyone else here not get sick often?
Click to expand...


Minus an occasional hangover and a sprained ankle, I haven't been sick in around 12 years.

I guess it comes down to what you would call 'sick'. Slight headaches here and there, allergies, runny nose, etc.. But no fevers, throwing up, bed-bound or anything that would interfere much with what I was doing.

No vaccines or preventative medicine.
 
we like taking sickdays!

I dunno --- personally I enjoy taking 6 or 8 sickdays a year, even if I'm perfectly fine.

This whole thing makes me nervous, a mint breath freshener that eliminates the excuse : "I gotta a cold, I'm staying in bed."

(Interestingly, n202 alludes to this, since he places this minty stuff out on a table for his employees, yet they seem to be avoiding using it 100%, since the sickdays are down only 50%
if I'm reading this right.)

To date absence due to cold has dropped by 50% (we track it at work).
Click to expand...

Meanwhile, Drostie indicates:
"But this claim is only paranormal if the stuff inside the bottle is paranormal."

He has several times stated it is a "natural remedy" and possibly homeopathic. He'll have to ascertain if it is indeed homeopathic (extreme dilution so as to be mostly water with no appreciable active ingredient). By definition, such a concoction can only have a paranormal effect.


===================================
Does 'Sambucol' (elderberry extract mixture with water and glucose) actually work? Have I avoided a cold or flu for 17 years by taking it, or am I just lucky? Who knows. I'll continue to use it and since I'm paying $15.00 a bottle, I'll keep claiming: "It's because of the Sambucol " !!!!!
 
Thank you for feedback

(Interestingly, n202 alludes to this, since he places this minty stuff out on a table for his employees, yet they seem to be avoiding using it 100%, since the sickdays are down only 50%
if I'm reading this right.)

I think your statement is correct. Not all employees are interested in taking my product. There is also that “I need some days off” attitude. Interestingly enough Employees in Sales department all take it, yet people in production department about 35% take it and the others do not.

Go to the US FDA Center for Drug Evaluation and Research http://www.fda.gov/cder/index.html ), and pass their requirements to show that your medicine is safe and effective.
I appreciate this advice. Looks like that what I am going to do as the next step.

But this claim is only paranormal if the stuff inside the bottle is paranormal.
Probably this is not paranormal, I agree. Homeopathic may be. The active ingredient is less than .01% of the solution.

It has been fun to talk to all of you. You have provided me with the nice doze of reality and peer review. I have a new appreciation for the rules of this forum, which I think are very good.

My plan is to go ahead and submit the application, describe everything to the best of my knowledge, accept any protocol that they may request from me and see where this is going to go. If I get rejected, then it will end there.

Meanwhile, I will go into production with this “stuff” and will probably release it by the next winter under the trade name of “Freedom spray”. I know that many people will ignore it and some people will not want to give up an excuse not to go to work, but I am an optimist and believe that true entrepreneurs eventually succeed.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Back
Top Bottom