Has James Randi or anyone else went through one of the Crossing Over shows and pointed out all the mistakes? There was a commentary a couple months ago that did this with another cold reader which I thought was pretty interesting. But I would like to see one for one of Edward's readings.
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...for a second...just for a second...I had this vision of someone going postal on ol' John at a taping...
...would they have to call sylvia to get John's testimony at the trial?...
...would they have to call sylvia to get John's testimony at the trial?...
Nim,
There are several walkthroughs on John Edward's readings.
Here's one of mine:
==> My comments
John: I'm ready to begin. I'm in this area. I don't think I'm with you, (pointing to someone) unless you guys know eachother. I've a male figure who's coming through that would be husband or brother, but it's a male figure that's coming through in this area. So it's gotta be the husband/brother figure over here. Do you understand this?
==> "Unless you guys know each other"? JE is making his guess dependent on the relations of two sitters, and NOT from the spirits.
==> "Male figure, husband, brother or husband-brother "type". Which means any male figure.
Woman: Yes.
==> Not a hit. Sitter is merely acknowledging that she understands what JE is saying.
John: Is that with you?
==> Fishing for information. This is in no way spirit communication!
Woman: Um hmm, husband.
==> Seems like her husband has died. How old is this woman? Is she old enough to have a dead husband? Unknown.
John: Who's crossed?
==> Fishing for information.
Woman: Yes.
==> Not a hit. Sitter is providing the information, not JE.
John: Okay, if you can just say yes or no. I also want to acknowledge that there's some type of either block party or some type of street fair or house party like where everybody's partying outside in the street. Did he do this, or was he involved with this?
==> Who hasn't? Sheesh, I have gone to these many times a year, in both Europe and the U.S.
Woman: No.
==> But not this one. A miss.
John: Are you sure?
==> Huh?? JE is pressuring for validation - a secure hit turns sour.
Woman: Yes.
==> Confirmation of a miss.
John: (looking askance) I'm gonna disagree with ya! (laughter) Where's Anthony?
==> Tony the Camera Man. "Not Tony, but Anthony". JE uses this a lot,for a reason: Anthony is the 22nd most common male name in the US.
Woman: Anthony's my brother, passed.
==> A half-hit. JE never says anything about the relation the sitter has with Anthony.
==> Additional information given by sitter: Brother is dead.
John: Anthony's here with him, because he's telling me to acknowledge Anthony. And Ralph.
==> Not a hit! Sitter has just told JE that Anthony is dead.
==> Ralph, being the 62nd most common male name...
Woman: Well my name is Raphaeli. They called my husband Ralph. Some people did. His name was Frank.
==> The last name cannot be considered a hit.
==> I would question the validity of a sitter who claims a husband being called "Ralph", him being a Frank. Why would people do that?
John: Wait a minute! YOUR name is Raphaeli and they called HIM Ralph?
==> Fishing for information.
Woman: No no, no no. Our last name was Raphaeli, but a lot of people called him Ralph.
==> Repeating her last statement.
John: Okay, cause I'm hearing "Ralph".
==> So he says....
Woman: It's Frank, his name was Frank.
==> Sitter actually denies her previous statement?
John: Well, he's coming through as Ralph to me.
==> And we all know JE is not wrong, ever...
Woman: (laughs) Okay.
==> Not an admission, sitter is merely acknowledging that JE says this.
John: Okay, I don't know what he means by this. I have to interpret this as either a street feast, a festival, a block party, but he's acknowledging the festivities in the street, where cars would normally be parked. He's got me at some type of street festival or street fair. He's telling me to acknowledge that either YOU have the older sister who's passed, HE'S got the older sister who's passed, or he's with mom, but he's got older female who's there. He's putting a big "V" over the family which means that somebody has the "V" name, okay? Because he's telling me to acknowledge the "V", and he's also making me feel that the month of June is his birthday, your birthday, but there's a celebration in the sixth month, which would be a happy birthday or congratulations in June.
==> Elaborating on the previously denied "street feast, festival" lead. Including cars (obvious!), too.
==> JE is asking for: Sitter's older dead sister OR husband's older dead sister OR husband's dead mother. Further widening the field by saying ANY older female is with him.
==> JE does not qualify at all who has a V-name. Could be living, could be dead.
==> June can be husband's birthday, sitter's birthday or simply a "celebration" - any birthday or congratulations. June is, of course, the month where a lot of students graduate, giving reasons to celebrate.
Woman: No.
==> Not one single hit!
John: Uh, yes! (making a funny face) (audience laughs)
==> He turns a *series* of misses into a joke on the sitter. Nice...
Woman: No, I have a party coming up, but there's not a street fair.
==> Sitter tries to fit the information. Also, gives information in the process.
John: No, there's some type of street thing. There's some type of festival. There's something that he wants me to acknowledge that he was part of, he planned, YOU were part of, YOU planned.
==> Keeps on pressing for the street thing....
Woman: Oh, it was a Memorial Mass Parade, just last week.
==> A hit? In the sense that Memorial Day is pretty well known...
John: For him?
==> Fishing for information.
Woman: Well, for deceased members of an American Legion Post, yeah.
==> Sitter providing a LOT of information in one sentence!
(John turns, laughing, to a member of the stage crew who had just handed him a microphone and said....) "You should not have given this to me at this moment." (laughter) "This can be hurled!" (more laughter)
==> Making fun of people. Nice....
Woman: Well, I could throw it back! (still more laughter)
==> Turning the tables. Not much psychic amnesia here, eh?
John: Street fair! Street festival! No, seriously, you marched in a parade in honor of people who have passed? (laughter) Who has the family of seven?
==> Fishing for information.
Woman: Uh, I'm one of seven.....but there's no "V"!
==> A hit. Families a few decades ago were much larger than today.
John: There is!
==> Insisting that he is right!
Woman: (looking very sheepish) Yeah, my Aunt Vera -- I was talking to her yesterday. (laughing) She lives in California! Yes.
==> Aunt Vera (who could be on the sitter's side, and not the husband's side)! More information given by sitter: Aunt Vera is alive, well, and lives in California!
John: He's also telling me that either your anniversary just passed or there's like a wedding anniversary that he's telling me, OR an anniversary of a death that just passed. He's acknowledging a red rose. Do you understand that?
==> In a family of this size and age, there is BOUND to be something that can fit into this!
Woman: Yes.
==> Technically not a hit, though: Sitter is agreeing that she understands what JE is saying.
John: Was that his?
==> Guessing - JE might have seen a facial expression. We don't know.
Woman: (touching her throat and clearly fighting back tears) Yes....today.
==> Lucky hit!
(audience responds sympathetically)
John: And I'm sorry to be personal, but did you bury him with his mother?
==> Fishing for information.
Woman: Same plot.
==> It's not uncommon to be buried with your family.
John: What does that mean? Same cemetary?
==> A plot is a much smaller area, yet JE can't help widening the field....
Woman: Yeah, same plot.
==> Confirmation of what sitter just said.
John: Okay, then they're together. He's showing me a big bouquet of pink roses. When I see that, that's their way of expressing their love to you, so he's passing this on. He's asking about your foot or your ankle, so I don't know if you're having a problem with it now, but he's acknowledging the foot or the ankle.
==> "Then they're together" is not a hit.
==> Pink roses again. Non-committal, yet comforting.
==> Foot or ankle problems are common in elderly people. Their bones get weaker, especially in women.
Woman: (Laughing) I broke a couple of toes a couple of months ago. (Sounding a bit worried) What else does he see?
==> Figures....
(John makes a face like, you SHOULD be worried, to tease her, audience laughs)
==> JE doesn't answer.
John: He wasn't a big hugger?
==> Fishing for information.
Woman: Yes, he was.
==> A clear miss.
John: I don't know if he's trying to tell me that the thing that you had the--the thing that bothered you most about his passing--not THE thing, but ONE of the things, is that you didn't get a chance to hug him goodbye.
==> Who gets a chance to really say goodbye?
Woman: True.
==> An expected hit.
John: Okay, he's telling me to acknowledge, "Here is a hug for ya!" (audience reacts with a big AW) Alrighty? Thank you!
==> Sure, hubby can hug! Sitter told JE!
(John goes up into the bleachers and gives the woman a big hug)
==> How cute...
POST ANALYSIS
Woman: Ralph--yes, a lot of peole made the common mistake of thinking his name was Ralph because two reasons, our last name, and also our office was located on Ralph Street. Still is. We were both big huggers, but towards the end he was in too much pain, you couldn't even touch him. So that, that was--it was lost. The last part was lost. I came here today, I have to admit, very skeptical. But I am no longer skeptical.
==> Whoa, TWO connections! Nobody calls me by the streetname I live on, though...
==> Skeptical? She would be more skeptical, if she could read the transcript. Extremely few hits, LOTS of fishing and many misses.
There are several walkthroughs on John Edward's readings.
Here's one of mine:
==> My comments
John: I'm ready to begin. I'm in this area. I don't think I'm with you, (pointing to someone) unless you guys know eachother. I've a male figure who's coming through that would be husband or brother, but it's a male figure that's coming through in this area. So it's gotta be the husband/brother figure over here. Do you understand this?
==> "Unless you guys know each other"? JE is making his guess dependent on the relations of two sitters, and NOT from the spirits.
==> "Male figure, husband, brother or husband-brother "type". Which means any male figure.
Woman: Yes.
==> Not a hit. Sitter is merely acknowledging that she understands what JE is saying.
John: Is that with you?
==> Fishing for information. This is in no way spirit communication!
Woman: Um hmm, husband.
==> Seems like her husband has died. How old is this woman? Is she old enough to have a dead husband? Unknown.
John: Who's crossed?
==> Fishing for information.
Woman: Yes.
==> Not a hit. Sitter is providing the information, not JE.
John: Okay, if you can just say yes or no. I also want to acknowledge that there's some type of either block party or some type of street fair or house party like where everybody's partying outside in the street. Did he do this, or was he involved with this?
==> Who hasn't? Sheesh, I have gone to these many times a year, in both Europe and the U.S.
Woman: No.
==> But not this one. A miss.
John: Are you sure?
==> Huh?? JE is pressuring for validation - a secure hit turns sour.
Woman: Yes.
==> Confirmation of a miss.
John: (looking askance) I'm gonna disagree with ya! (laughter) Where's Anthony?
==> Tony the Camera Man. "Not Tony, but Anthony". JE uses this a lot,for a reason: Anthony is the 22nd most common male name in the US.
Woman: Anthony's my brother, passed.
==> A half-hit. JE never says anything about the relation the sitter has with Anthony.
==> Additional information given by sitter: Brother is dead.
John: Anthony's here with him, because he's telling me to acknowledge Anthony. And Ralph.
==> Not a hit! Sitter has just told JE that Anthony is dead.
==> Ralph, being the 62nd most common male name...
Woman: Well my name is Raphaeli. They called my husband Ralph. Some people did. His name was Frank.
==> The last name cannot be considered a hit.
==> I would question the validity of a sitter who claims a husband being called "Ralph", him being a Frank. Why would people do that?
John: Wait a minute! YOUR name is Raphaeli and they called HIM Ralph?
==> Fishing for information.
Woman: No no, no no. Our last name was Raphaeli, but a lot of people called him Ralph.
==> Repeating her last statement.
John: Okay, cause I'm hearing "Ralph".
==> So he says....
Woman: It's Frank, his name was Frank.
==> Sitter actually denies her previous statement?
John: Well, he's coming through as Ralph to me.
==> And we all know JE is not wrong, ever...
Woman: (laughs) Okay.
==> Not an admission, sitter is merely acknowledging that JE says this.
John: Okay, I don't know what he means by this. I have to interpret this as either a street feast, a festival, a block party, but he's acknowledging the festivities in the street, where cars would normally be parked. He's got me at some type of street festival or street fair. He's telling me to acknowledge that either YOU have the older sister who's passed, HE'S got the older sister who's passed, or he's with mom, but he's got older female who's there. He's putting a big "V" over the family which means that somebody has the "V" name, okay? Because he's telling me to acknowledge the "V", and he's also making me feel that the month of June is his birthday, your birthday, but there's a celebration in the sixth month, which would be a happy birthday or congratulations in June.
==> Elaborating on the previously denied "street feast, festival" lead. Including cars (obvious!), too.
==> JE is asking for: Sitter's older dead sister OR husband's older dead sister OR husband's dead mother. Further widening the field by saying ANY older female is with him.
==> JE does not qualify at all who has a V-name. Could be living, could be dead.
==> June can be husband's birthday, sitter's birthday or simply a "celebration" - any birthday or congratulations. June is, of course, the month where a lot of students graduate, giving reasons to celebrate.
Woman: No.
==> Not one single hit!
John: Uh, yes! (making a funny face) (audience laughs)
==> He turns a *series* of misses into a joke on the sitter. Nice...
Woman: No, I have a party coming up, but there's not a street fair.
==> Sitter tries to fit the information. Also, gives information in the process.
John: No, there's some type of street thing. There's some type of festival. There's something that he wants me to acknowledge that he was part of, he planned, YOU were part of, YOU planned.
==> Keeps on pressing for the street thing....
Woman: Oh, it was a Memorial Mass Parade, just last week.
==> A hit? In the sense that Memorial Day is pretty well known...
John: For him?
==> Fishing for information.
Woman: Well, for deceased members of an American Legion Post, yeah.
==> Sitter providing a LOT of information in one sentence!
(John turns, laughing, to a member of the stage crew who had just handed him a microphone and said....) "You should not have given this to me at this moment." (laughter) "This can be hurled!" (more laughter)
==> Making fun of people. Nice....
Woman: Well, I could throw it back! (still more laughter)
==> Turning the tables. Not much psychic amnesia here, eh?
John: Street fair! Street festival! No, seriously, you marched in a parade in honor of people who have passed? (laughter) Who has the family of seven?
==> Fishing for information.
Woman: Uh, I'm one of seven.....but there's no "V"!
==> A hit. Families a few decades ago were much larger than today.
John: There is!
==> Insisting that he is right!
Woman: (looking very sheepish) Yeah, my Aunt Vera -- I was talking to her yesterday. (laughing) She lives in California! Yes.
==> Aunt Vera (who could be on the sitter's side, and not the husband's side)! More information given by sitter: Aunt Vera is alive, well, and lives in California!
John: He's also telling me that either your anniversary just passed or there's like a wedding anniversary that he's telling me, OR an anniversary of a death that just passed. He's acknowledging a red rose. Do you understand that?
==> In a family of this size and age, there is BOUND to be something that can fit into this!
Woman: Yes.
==> Technically not a hit, though: Sitter is agreeing that she understands what JE is saying.
John: Was that his?
==> Guessing - JE might have seen a facial expression. We don't know.
Woman: (touching her throat and clearly fighting back tears) Yes....today.
==> Lucky hit!
(audience responds sympathetically)
John: And I'm sorry to be personal, but did you bury him with his mother?
==> Fishing for information.
Woman: Same plot.
==> It's not uncommon to be buried with your family.
John: What does that mean? Same cemetary?
==> A plot is a much smaller area, yet JE can't help widening the field....
Woman: Yeah, same plot.
==> Confirmation of what sitter just said.
John: Okay, then they're together. He's showing me a big bouquet of pink roses. When I see that, that's their way of expressing their love to you, so he's passing this on. He's asking about your foot or your ankle, so I don't know if you're having a problem with it now, but he's acknowledging the foot or the ankle.
==> "Then they're together" is not a hit.
==> Pink roses again. Non-committal, yet comforting.
==> Foot or ankle problems are common in elderly people. Their bones get weaker, especially in women.
Woman: (Laughing) I broke a couple of toes a couple of months ago. (Sounding a bit worried) What else does he see?
==> Figures....
(John makes a face like, you SHOULD be worried, to tease her, audience laughs)
==> JE doesn't answer.
John: He wasn't a big hugger?
==> Fishing for information.
Woman: Yes, he was.
==> A clear miss.
John: I don't know if he's trying to tell me that the thing that you had the--the thing that bothered you most about his passing--not THE thing, but ONE of the things, is that you didn't get a chance to hug him goodbye.
==> Who gets a chance to really say goodbye?
Woman: True.
==> An expected hit.
John: Okay, he's telling me to acknowledge, "Here is a hug for ya!" (audience reacts with a big AW) Alrighty? Thank you!
==> Sure, hubby can hug! Sitter told JE!
(John goes up into the bleachers and gives the woman a big hug)
==> How cute...
POST ANALYSIS
Woman: Ralph--yes, a lot of peole made the common mistake of thinking his name was Ralph because two reasons, our last name, and also our office was located on Ralph Street. Still is. We were both big huggers, but towards the end he was in too much pain, you couldn't even touch him. So that, that was--it was lost. The last part was lost. I came here today, I have to admit, very skeptical. But I am no longer skeptical.
==> Whoa, TWO connections! Nobody calls me by the streetname I live on, though...
==> Skeptical? She would be more skeptical, if she could read the transcript. Extremely few hits, LOTS of fishing and many misses.
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Jeff Corey said:
No, they are crab people who live under the earth!
Trouble is, it's time consuming and never really leads anywhere especially not when you're dealing with edited material such as Crossing Over.
Recently, I was part of a long discussion about one JE transcript that I thought contained such blatant cold reading techniques that not even the most fervent believer could put up much of a denial. I was wrong.
Recently, I was part of a long discussion about one JE transcript that I thought contained such blatant cold reading techniques that not even the most fervent believer could put up much of a denial. I was wrong.
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Where? Between the elephants standing on the turtle? What do they eat? Crab cakes?
Iamme said:Claus---Well, I guess your reply should put all believers beliefs to rest.
Unfortunately, it doesn't.
You have no idea how many times skeptics have shown how John Edward is indistinguishable from a cold reader (even the ever-lurking Clancie has admitted this).
Does this make the believers change their beliefs? No. They still cling on to their beliefs, inventing ever more ridiculous (and, let's face it, sad) explanations why JE is not a fake.
Want to know why Clancie doesn't think JE is fake, even when he seems to be cold reading? JE is really being psychic, that's all! Yep, when JE does not get any spirit communication whatsoever, he is just being psychic. He is not cold reading, OK?
You can try to ask Clancie what the difference between being psychic (as opposed to being a psychic medium) and doing cold reading is. So far, she has avoided this question like the plague.
Go on, ask her. You'll see a true fanatic believer in action. It is fascinating to observe.
Hi Iamme,
For...what? If you check my sig line you'll see that I have Claus on "Ignore". If -you- have a question or discussion point...fine, but if its things we've already gone over a lot here (or with you, me, Cantata, et al over at TVTalk) it may be better for you to read some of the old threads here first.
And, please, if you're -really- interested in what I've said about this, I really do hope you'll do a search on the topic here first rather than taking Claus's paraphrase of my ideas and conclusions as gospel. He never -does- get them right....
