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Criminal Behavior Against US Police Officers

lobosrul5 said:
I'll go ahead and preempt Bogative since this happened about 4 or 5 miles from my house.

The suspect should be facing 4 counts of attempted murder, armed robbery, and maybe 1 actual murder charge. He should spend the rest of his days in the New Mexico state pen. Any arguments??
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No arguments, but a question. There is a convenience store a few hundred yards down the street, did the clerks survive? Maybe they can help with de-escalation techniques.
 
Bogative said:
Who cares?

They are agents of a racist structure born from slave patrols... or something.
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Yeah, Racsim is not a real problem in the US But one created by the evil Liberal Media...jsut like the Liberal hysteria over COvid.
Just keep drinking the Trump Kool aid, guy.
 
A Tennessee sheriff's deputy assaulted a fellow law enforcement officer and then attempted to use his status to gain access to the U.S. Capitol during the Jan. 6 riot, according to a motion filed by the U.S. Attorney's Office Wednesday.

Ronald Colton McAbee, a 27-year-old Williamson County sheriff's deputy, was arrested Aug. 17 after the FBI received a tip he was the man in officer-worn body camera footage who attempted to fight a Metropolitan Police Department officer and drag another into the mob storming the Capitol.
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https://www.tennessean.com/story/news/local/2021/08/19/williamson-county-sheriffs-deputy-accused-assaulting-officer-capitol-riot/8197483002/

You hate to see this blue on blue violence. I blame the culture and lack of parental supervision.
 
Another routine traffic stop turns into a chase followed by an ambush, this time in Jackson, Mississippi.

It started as a traffic stop, but the driver of the grey sedan sped away from police. Officers later found the car abandoned on the corner of Rondo and Erie Streets with the driver's door open. Police went to inspect the vehicle and discovered the suspect, Nathaniel Garner, had barricaded himself on an abandoned porch, according to Davis.

Garner then shot at least 30 rounds into a police car, hitting Mayes, according to Chief Davis.
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JoeMorgue said:
And a real strawman not a standard internet "I only know how to argue by naming logical fallacies I obviously don't understand but they got used against me so I'm just going to repeat them" strawman.
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The argumentum ad rightbackatya. Usually mistaken for tu quoque
 
A Greenfield, Wisconsin officer is in critical condition following a traffic stop that led to a short pursuit which ended in a crash and the driver of the vehicle shooting at three police officers.
 
COVID-19 has been the number one killer of law enforcement officers in 2020 and 2021 to date, according to the Officer Down Memorial Page, which tracks line-of-duty deaths.

In South Florida alone, five officers were recently lost in just one week.

“It is the most important officer safety issue of our lifetime,” said Miami Police Assistant Chief Armando Aguilar, who is among the leadership pushing for police to get vaccinated.
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https://www.local10.com/news/local/2021/09/02/covid-19-has-become-the-no-1-cop-killer/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=snd&utm_content=wplg10

I wonder what it is about cops that makes them so susceptible of dying of covid.
 
Thermal said:
Agreed. Its the "hurr durr, it's more dangerous to be a pizza guy" argument I am arguing against. Its not. There may be more pizza guys shot or robbed, but if cops weren't able to be proactive, if bet there would be a deluge of cop casualties to make pizza guy feel like a whiner.
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If the pizza guy was paranoid about being harmed to the point that the pizza guy was going around proactively being violent / using the threat of violence with anyone that they feared and using their political clout to demonize whole communities.... well, this would not make that pizza guy safer. People wrongfully harmed by pizza guys would start wanting to harm pizza guys in the future. Which would make pizza guys nastier and more proactive, and on and on.

The idea that cops creating animosity with the communities they are supposed to serve makes them safer is a weird assumption. In any other context it rightfully sounds absurd.
 
Bogative said:
23 officers shot since I last posted on August 22. That's an average of 1.4 officers shot per day.


But pizza delivery drivers!

https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/officer-shot
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Raw numbers are largely meaningless in this context. There are about a million police officers running around. Pizza delivery guys are a glib strawman. The agricultural sector is far more dangerous than police work, and without those people we would have no food.

The nature of the beast is that some cops will be shot. It is part of the gig. The larger issue is whether their reacting to this one in a million chance by violent intimidation that loses the trust of whole communities makes them any safer much less the people they are supposed to be putting their lives on the line to protect and serve.

The idea that it does is absurd, and even if it did it is justification to tear down the whole system as menacing the community in the name of protecting the community is some mafia stuff. At that point law becomes at best a formal abstraction used to justify the primacy of a street gang.
 
Suddenly said:
Raw numbers are largely meaningless in this context. There are about a million police officers running around. Pizza delivery guys are a glib strawman. The agricultural sector is far more dangerous than police work, and without those people we would have no food.

The nature of the beast is that some cops will be shot. It is part of the gig. The larger issue is whether their reacting to this one in a million chance by violent intimidation that loses the trust of whole communities makes them any safer much less the people they are supposed to be putting their lives on the line to protect and serve.

The idea that it does is absurd, and even if it did it is justification to tear down the whole system as menacing the community in the name of protecting the community is some mafia stuff. At that point law becomes at best a formal abstraction used to justify the primacy of a street gang.
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Indeed. People who want the public to be less anti-cop should encourage police to behave in a way that engenders support. Otherwise, you get scenarios like when 54% of Americans support burning down a police precinct.

54 Percent of Americans Think Burning Down Minneapolis Police Precinct Was Justified After George Floyd's Death
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https://www.newsweek.com/54-americans-think-burning-down-minneapolis-police-precinct-was-justified-after-george-floyds-1508452
 
Bogative said:
23 officers shot since I last posted on August 22. That's an average of 1.4 officers shot per day.


But pizza delivery drivers!

https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/officer-shot
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While I wish things were much safer and violence against LEO's was very rare, it doesn't matter if 100 officers a day are shot. That doesn't excuse breaking the arm of frail 73 year old women with dementia, executing handcuffed people with ketamine, or shooting before its certain someone even has a weapon. If someone finds policing too dangerous I hear Wendy's is hiring.
 
lobosrul5 said:
While I wish things were much safer and violence against LEO's was very rare, it doesn't matter if 100 officers a day are shot. That doesn't excuse breaking the arm of frail 73 year old women with dementia, executing handcuffed people with ketamine, or shooting before its certain someone even has a weapon. If someone finds policing too dangerous I hear Wendy's is hiring.
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This.

Violence is not a ******* bank account. You can't get a surplus of violence against you and then "cash it in" later to beat up unarmed protestors and give black people 37 warning shots in the back.

If you want to go down this road black people could give a blood eagle to a cop in town square everyday for the next 50 years and still have black in their ledger.

It's, ironically and I'm totally sure a coincidence I wouldn't dare suggest otherwise, exactly like how racists don't get that a Liberal playing the race card or being dramatic about racism doesn't give them "Oh goodie I get to be racist" points to use later.
 
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Routine traffic stop.



While one deputy is questioning two of the car's occupants outside of the vehicle, another deputy asks a male passenger in the backseat to step out for questioning. Despite having a two-year-old child in the backseat with him, the man obliges by stepping out and opening fire with an AR-15 pistol.

Unbeknownst to the two deputies, the now dead man had 23 prior felony arrests, 17 misdemeanor arrests, was currently out on bond and had two felony arrest warrants.

I'm guessing by the deputy's jovial demeanor toward the shooter, the deputies deserved the attempt on their lives.

No convenience store clerks or pizza delivery boys were harmed during the making of this video.
 
Speaking of criminal behavior against police.

The LASD has a rampant deputy street gang problem, where violent cliques terrorize both the public and other sheriff's deputies in order to maintain control over local stations.

Members of these gangs assault and intimidate other deputies without fear of retaliation.

A recently commissioned RAND report confirms that these dangerous gangs still exist, despite denials from leadership, and are very active.

Suggesting a continuing problem with gang-like cliques within the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department, 16% of deputies questioned in a recent survey said they've been asked to join such groups, according to the survey results released Friday.

The study by Santa Monica-based think-tank RAND — titled "Understanding Subgroups Within the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department" — questioned 1,608 deputies and supervisors, who anonymously answered the survey's questions. Of the 16% who said they had been asked to join such a "secretive subgroup," one-fourth of them said they had been asked within the past five years.
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https://spectrumnews1.com/ca/la-west/public-safety/2021/09/10/rand-report--deputy-cliques-pose-problems-for-lasd
 
Bogative said:
Routine traffic stop.



While one deputy is questioning two of the car's occupants outside of the vehicle, another deputy asks a male passenger in the backseat to step out for questioning. Despite having a two-year-old child in the backseat with him, the man obliges by stepping out and opening fire with an AR-15 pistol.

Unbeknownst to the two deputies, the now dead man had 23 prior felony arrests, 17 misdemeanor arrests, was currently out on bond and had two felony arrest warrants.

I'm guessing by the deputy's jovial demeanor toward the shooter, the deputies deserved the attempt on their lives.

No convenience store clerks or pizza delivery boys were harmed during the making of this video.
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I'm curious, but not curious to watch cop porn, what this "routine traffic stop" was and how a "routine traffic stop" would justify telling some guy in the back seat to exit the vehicle to be questioned. He's not the driver so any traffic offense is not his doing. Without some reasonable suspicion that he has or is committing a crime they have no business doing this sort of thing.

We don't see the other 1000000 videos where cops use some traffic offense or similar as a pretense to harass passengers because they look like something is up because based on some sort of profiling (I'm sorry, cop intuition). This is because there are no consequences for this police overreach.

The upshot being that one element of this sort of very rare violence is the police doing police state stuff and if you do that at some point you are going to run across an armed maniac with nothing to lose. These things happen extremely rarely, and if people want them to happen less don't have traffic laws enforced by cops who see every potential stop as a chance to go fishing for felony arrests. More of these would end with traffic citations and people wouldn't hate cops as much when they are late for work or otherwise detained when they didn't do anything other than run a stop sign or whatever.
 
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