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Crazy? You Decide.

The OP is simply HILARIOUS and I speak as somebody who was a Libertarian for most of his adult life. Yep, there is a teeny-tiny group of the LP faithful who will give disproportionately to any LP candidate, and that seems to include RP even though he BETRAYED the LP.

It means exactly nothing.
 
This quote is from Ron Paul's website:

. . . a Paul Presidency would be achieved by eliminating five federal cabinet departments – the Departments of Energy, Housing and Urban Development, Commerce, Interior and Education.

He also wants to end all foreign wars and nation-building. I can certainly go along with that. However, I wonder how career military men would feel about something that would eliminate much of what they are involved in and needed for.
 
No Department of Energy = bye bye NRC and Los Alamos. Nuclear plants can be run in any way their owners decide.

No Housing and Urban Development = expected; Ron Paul is pointedly opposed to the continued existence of people who require government social services of any sort.

No Department of Commerce = an end to any kind of corporate regulation whatsoever

No Department of the Interior = goodbye US Farm Bureau, Forest Service, all National Parks and historic sites, USGS, NOAA and National Weather Service. If you get hit by a tornado tough titty - should've been looking out the window.

No Department of Education = no more student loans or grants. What are all these good for nothing un-rich whelps presuming to attend university anyway? What's the point of being born rich if it doesn't come with exclusive perks like post-secondary education?
 
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Please, someone run on getting rid of Homeland Security. It's a Frankenstein monster, created in a fit of misplaced apprehensions, and its components can easily be returned to their previous Departments.
 
Please, someone run on getting rid of Homeland Security. It's a Frankenstein monster, created in a fit of misplaced apprehensions, and its components can easily be returned to their previous Departments.

Not sure what difference this would make. Shuffling the components around won't change anything; the only reason they were reorganized to begin with was to foster interagency communication and cooperation.
 
No Department of Education = no more student loans or grants. What are all these good for nothing un-rich whelps presuming to attend university anyway? What's the point of being born rich if it doesn't come with exclusive perks like post-secondary education?
If I have time, I will address the other four points you raised. For now, here is what Ron Paul had to say about the education issue:
Anytime someone dares to seriously address the major problems posed to us by a government program, many in the news media accuse that person of wanting to hurt citizens in a reckless manner.

Though everyone knows Social Security has major solvency issues, simply trying to save the program for those who rely on it, or finding better solutions for younger Americans, is portrayed as somehow attacking Social Security.

Though everyone knows Medicare is rife with major difficulties, trying to protect it for those promised particular services by offering a different approach is portrayed as attacking Medicare.

The demagoguery makes solving our problems even harder.

My "Restore America" budget plan would eliminate five federal departments, including the Department of Education. But the aspect of that department that deals with student loans isn't eliminated - it's simply handled elsewhere in the budget. Yet the many headlines that came out after my interview Sunday on Meet the Press exclaimed that I wanted to "end" or "phase out" all student loans. In the long term - just like Social Security for people under the age of 25 - this is technically true. But to portray my budget plan as immediately getting rid of student loans is simply dishonest.

Transitioning to a better system


When host David Gregory asked me whether or not we should abolish federal aid for education, I replied: "Eventually, but my program doesn't do it; there's a transition in this." To read many of the headlines this week concerning my budget plan and student loans, you would think there was no transition.

The accumulated total student loan debt in this country is over $1 trillion.
Think about that for a moment.

Our entire national deficit for this year is $1.5 trillion, and the cost of college education alone is two-thirds of our country's entire budget shortfall.

This is staggering.

When you also consider the state of the economy - that there are few jobs for graduates, that the actual quality of education our young people pay through the nose for has eroded, and that countless Americans are now slaves to massive debt simply for trying to get a college education - the notion that the status quo must hold is unconscionable.

Like housing and medicine, education costs went through the roof when government became involved. In the last three decades, the overall inflation rate has increased more than 100%, which means we basically pay double now for everything we buy. This price inflation is an inevitable consequence of printing money out of thin air and devaluing our dollar. But compare this inflation to the rise in the cost of college tuition, which has increased almost 500% in the same amount of time.

This is what happens when we print money out of thin air and couple it with government intervention in education.

When I went to school, we didn't have a federal student loan program, and I was able to work my way through college and medical school because it wasn't so expensive. What has changed? In the name of "helping" students through federal loans, the government has really hurt them in the long run by drastically driving up the overall cost of education and forcing poor and middle class Americans, who are just trying to better their lives, to take on unreasonable debt.

And look what that has given us. Our young people are jobless and saddled with student debt greater than all of the credit card debt of every American combined!

What I plan to do


My budget plan cuts $1 trillion of excessive spending in year one. This is a first major step in getting big government off our backs and allowing the free market to work.

In my budget, Social Security, Medicare, - and yes, student loans - are not cut in any way for those currently receiving such services or for those who will be in the near future. Our economy is not healthy enough, nor are most Americans in a financial position at the moment, for any of these programs to be significantly altered now. But perhaps after balancing our budget during my presidency, reining in the government and easing the regulatory burden placed on the taxpayers - which will result in a more robust economy and new jobs - the price of education and other services will decline because of more free market competition and less government interference. Then, and only then, will we be able to address whether some of these programs are the best way to care for people.

I want to help our students, but I believe we will assist them the most by eventually transitioning student aid away from the inefficient and ineffective federal government and back to local governments and private market-based solutions - which simply work better.

Getting the federal government out of the way will give us better educational opportunities at a better price. The notion that I am somehow "anti-education" is absurd.

Centralized government planning is the main cause of so many of the challenges we face, and removing that obstacle is the primary way to ultimately fix education in the long term. The sooner we resolve these problems the better, of course, but it is never too soon and certainly never at the expense of Americans' best short-term interests to take serious action now.

As we close in on a $15 trillion national debt, we must start such a government-to-free-market transition right away, and this is certainly something that can be accomplished without harming the average American in the process.

But constantly frightening Americans anytime someone dares to offer serious solutions is the easiest way to make sure there is never any transition, never any real reform, and never any recovery.
 
Getting the federal government out of the way will give us better educational opportunities at a better price.
How will this magically happen?

All I see is "government bad, close government." I see nothing that says how things are going to be better by removing government, besides the fact it will make people who hate government happy.
 
The twit from Texas still comes across as nuts. He says that government involvement in health care led to the rising costs, when, in fact, publicly-owned hospitals were affordable to most working people, as was health insurance, until the money grubbers were allowed to buy those interests out and privatize the profits.

Libertardian bozo is out of his mind.

Eliminating the Department of the Interior would require selling off all federal landsto private interests. No corporate drongo used to the rapacious practices of the post 1981 ecconomic theories is going to let land sit fallow and un-mined just in the interest of not poisoning everybody's water supply.

RP is too delusional to head a government.
 
According to the FEC, in 2011 so far, active duty military personnel gave more campaign donations to one candidate than they did to all others - including Obama - combined:

Appeal to Emotion/Patriotism.

"Patriotic military personnel support Ron Paul. Therefore, you should support Ron Paul or you aren't patriotic"

Not a good start, here.
 
How will this magically happen?

All I see is "government bad, close government." I see nothing that says how things are going to be better by removing government, besides the fact it will make people who hate government happy.

You seem to believe that all good things come from government. Do you suppose that the price of cell phones, or computers, would have been steadily going down for the last decade, if "the government" had been exclusively in charge of their manufacture and distribution? Are you saying that government regulations are not a cause of rising consumer costs for just about everything?

The benefit of getting government out of what ought to be private business is, quite simply, better products and services for less money. If you can't fathom how that is possible, I'd say you've got a lot of studying to do. A good starting point for discovery of how free markets work would be The Mises Institute's website.

The main purpose of a national (federal) government is to defend the liberty of the people - and that doesn't mean policing the world and nation-building in other countries. Most everything else is not authorized under the highest law of the land, which every government representative takes a solemn oath to uphold and defend. The fact that so few take their oath seriously enough to actually abide by it, doesn't mean it's merely ceremonial.

Try reading the US Constitution for additional info.
 
He says that government involvement in health care led to the rising costs, when, in fact, publicly-owned hospitals were affordable to most working people, as was health insurance, until the money grubbers were allowed to buy those interests out and privatize the profits.

And that enabling was due to whose interference?
 
Appeal to Emotion/Patriotism.

"Patriotic military personnel support Ron Paul. Therefore, you should support Ron Paul or you aren't patriotic"

Not a good start, here.

No such interpretation implied by the OP.
 
You seem to believe that all good things come from government. Do you suppose that the price of cell phones, or computers, would have been steadily going down for the last decade, if "the government" had been exclusively in charge of their manufacture and distribution? Are you saying that government regulations are not a cause of rising consumer costs for just about everything?

The benefit of getting government out of what ought to be private business is, quite simply, better products and services for less money. If you can't fathom how that is possible, I'd say you've got a lot of studying to do. A good starting point for discovery of how free markets work would be The Mises Institute's website.

The main purpose of a national (federal) government is to defend the liberty of the people - and that doesn't mean policing the world and nation-building in other countries. Most everything else is not authorized under the highest law of the land, which every government representative takes a solemn oath to uphold and defend. The fact that so few take their oath seriously enough to actually abide by it, doesn't mean it's merely ceremonial.

Try reading the US Constitution for additional info.

You seem to think you know what I believe. This has nothing to do with what philosophically I believe or don't believe anyway. It's not a matter of whether or not the government is good or bad. The fact is I know how it is working now. I want to know how things will work if Ron Paul gets his way. Not whether or not it's good or bad, but what are the changes going to be and how are they going to come about.

If you can't answer that without just saying "the way it works now is wrong, so we have to destroy the way things are", you aren't going to convince many people it's a good idea.

Explain to me what happens when the Department of Education and everything it does is abolished. Be specific. Let's pretend I agree that it should go away. What happens when it does? Be specific.
 
You seem to think you know what I believe. This has nothing to do with what philosophically I believe or don't believe anyway. It's not a matter of whether or not the government is good or bad. The fact is I know how it is working now. I want to know how things will work if Ron Paul gets his way. Not whether or not it's good or bad, but what are the changes going to be and how are they going to come about.

If you can't answer that without just saying "the way it works now is wrong, so we have to destroy the way things are", you aren't going to convince many people it's a good idea.

Explain to me what happens when the Department of Education and everything it does is abolished. Be specific. Let's pretend I agree that it should go away. What happens when it does? Be specific.

You're asking me to write a very lengthy essay if not a book or three. Such materials are already abundant and easily found with the help of a search engine. Check this report for starters: http://www.cato.org/pubs/handbook/hb108/hb108-28.pdf
 
That the military personnel overwhelmingly would choose Ron Paul as their next commander in chief. I can't speak to their reasons, because I am not in the military. But I suspect that most of them resonate with the sentiment expressed in this short video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKfuS6gfxPY

That video is a straight-up appeal to emotion and patriotism.



eta: Don't get me wrong, I actually agree with the video. It just isn't (mostly) a valid logical argument.
 
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The benefit of getting government out of what ought to be private business is, quite simply, better products and services for less money. If you can't fathom how that is possible, I'd say you've got a lot of studying to do. A good starting point for discovery of how free markets work would be The Mises Institute's website.

Mises.org is the source of more problems than government. Lunatics running their own assylum.

As for what I hilited, tell that BS to the families of the people who have been killed by food-borne illness since the jelly-brain from California started telling food inspectors that they should be partners, rather than adversaries with the foods industries.
 

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