Merged Core-led collapse and explosive demolition

Clayton Moore said:
What's there to know?

The world saw two huge skyscrapers become completely demolished in about a 1/4 of minute. That's about 7 tower floors a second.



http://www.wtc911.us/wtc_911_facts.html

An avalanche can get up to 80 mph in about 5 seconds.


The ignorant assumption is that less than 1/3 of a modern steel framed building could fall through a pristine and undamaged over 2/3 of itself rather than take a path of least resistance AWAY FROM THE BUILDING.
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So how long should it have taken if the "official story" was true. You've done the math, right?

Anyone want to wager that he "Claytons" out on this?
 
Clayton Moore said:
The problem with explaining an explosive collapse is that you never actually see the explosives. I know. haha.

So rather than conjecture of how it was done WITH explosives our objective should be how it could not completely collapse as it did without explosives.
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So you would take the path of MOST resistance to prove your own case?

Why do you think you never see the explosives? Why doesn't "because there aren't any" then become a logical explanation?
 
Animal said:
The ignorant assumption is thinking that something that is falling will jump out of the way of something below it because it will take a "path of least resistance"

Free hint to the eternally clueless.....it will take far more energy for a falling mass to move in a horizontal direction rather than to continue in the vertical direction. Furthermore there has to be a source for that energy.

Only in troofer fantasies will the opposite happen.
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in order for an object to topple (which is more to the point) there must be a solid pivot point

if the object falls onto another and then the lower object gives way assymetrically , the gravitation forces on the falling mass will cause a torque and it will tilt

if the pivot then also gives way the falling mass will have any angular momentum cause rotation about CoM but CoM will follow the dictates of gravity
STRAIGHT DOWN
as the falling mass and impacted object break up the falling mass becomes less and less corpreal and tilt/ topple less and less relevent while total falling mass becomes more relevent in failure of lower horizontal structure
if that mass contains enough force to fail lower structure it will happen

Path of least resistance is an irrelevent term

the analogy would be to expect a bullet to follow such a path through a body. obiously it will impact bone along its path even though soft tissue would represent PoLR
 
Gravity, Ignore it at your peril.

Clayton Moore said:
The ignorant assumption is that less than 1/3 of a modern steel framed building could fall through a pristine and undamaged over 2/3 of itself rather than take a path of least resistance AWAY FROM THE BUILDING.
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What force would move each of the 110 floors 104 feet sideways to your "path of least resistance" ??? Don't you know how gravity works?
 
A W Smith said:
What force would move each of the 110 floors 104 feet sideways to your "path of least resistance" ??? Don't you know how gravity works?
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It's not just gravity that he doesn't understand.

Where do the forces come from and against what to they act to cause the horizontal movement?

Plus the bovine crap about "path of least resistance". To the extent that there is anything in the "path of least resistance" both towers took it. It is down the OOS of each tower plus the nearby core.

When something falls it will fall on whatever is beneath it. It has no way of knowing where the path of least resistance is nor any way of "choosing"....

...other than as the result of basic physics. If it hits something firm AND that "firm bit" is not geographically aligned with the centre of mass OR there are imbalances of strength in the intervening structures AND those two don't cancel out THEN the falling bit MAY lean and start to go a bit sideways until further contact between the two parts of structure causes those fundamentals to change and brings in a new "decision point' which will be decided by the layout and forces extant at that moment.

So chew on that one Clayton...


...because it is a simplification. :)
 
jaydeehess said:
in order for an object to topple (which is more to the point) there must be a solid pivot point
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It would still require a horizontal force...not to mention the structure would fail long before the "tipping point" was reached

if the object falls onto another and then the lower object gives way assymetrically , the gravitation forces on the falling mass will cause a torque and it will tilt

if the pivot then also gives way the falling mass will have any angular momentum cause rotation about CoM but CoM will follow the dictates of gravity
STRAIGHT DOWN
as the falling mass and impacted object break up the falling mass becomes less and less corpreal and tilt/ topple less and less relevent while total falling mass becomes more relevent in failure of lower horizontal structure
if that mass contains enough force to fail lower structure it will happen

Path of least resistance is an irrelevent term

the analogy would be to expect a bullet to follow such a path through a body. obiously it will impact bone along its path even though soft tissue would represent PoLR
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Clayton Moore said:
The ignorant assumption is that less than 1/3 of a modern steel framed building could fall through a pristine and undamaged over 2/3 1/110th of itself rather than take a path of least resistance AWAY FROM THE BUILDING.
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Fixed it for you.
 
Well fluids always take the path of least resistance too. But that doesn't really apply here either. At least not until most of the building was rubble.
 
Travis said:
Well fluids always take the path of least resistance too. But that doesn't really apply here either. At least not until most of the building was rubble.
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Not necessarily. Depend on its momentum. If you let it flow slowly, it will run down the steepest gradient.

If you shoot the liquid at sufficient kpi, it will penetrate anything.
 
A W Smith said:
What force would move each of the 110 floors 104 feet sideways to your "path of least resistance" ??? Don't you know how gravity works?
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You see, it's a kind of quantum effect, like the double-slit electron diffraction experiment. Just as the electron "knows" the double slit exists, and what the other electrons have done, and picks the right path, the upper section of the building knows it must move to one side to avoid the lower section. ;)
 
Bell said:
Fixed it for you.
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Thanks. I forgot all the support steel had been removed by explosives and all the cement floors were pulverized to dust by explosives making the resistance of the lower floors nonexistent as in .72 floors of resistance.


:dl:
 
Clayton Moore said:
Thanks. I forgot all the support steel had been removed by explosives and all the cement floors were pulverized to dust by explosives making the resistance of the lower floors nonexistent as in .72 floors of resistance.


:dl:
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I didn't expect you to understand it. Telling you to "watch and learn" would be a waste.
 
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