Merged Core-led collapse and explosive demolition

MNBrant said:
I am seeing a new york edition of dollywood going up soon.
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What a great idea to remember those who died on 911, almost as moving as Major Tom's delusions on 911, as a great way to be evidence free and honor those killed solely by 19 terrorists who did 911. You are extremely thoughtful, like 911 truth.

911 truth can't grasp a gravity collapse so they make up nonsense of an inside job.

Major_Tom said:
Green line ad red circle are for a separate point. East face is on the right. That is the place to look. That is what happens when upper sheet falls behind lower sheet.

If upper falls over lower like WTC1 north, west and south faces, your large falling objects cover the ROOSD ejection pattern.

It is not difficult to tell whether upper perimeter sheet falls out over the lower during collapse initiation for any specific side.


If you look real hard at the WTC1 south wall and collapse images, you will find that upper kicks out over lower., hence the large falling objects a few posts ago.

We could have known this years ago but the NIST was holding the proof out of sight. Recent FOIA releases shows what we should have known for years.
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Saw this on 911, sorry, you are over 9 years late. Are you still a CD delusion guy, or are you finally smart enough to grasp gravity collapse.

This is not new, it is the WTC collapsing, in a gravity collapse. The only thing new is you trying to do what? You have proved no thermite was used with photos, and now you are finally seeing what was seen on 911, a gravity collapse, and you make up nonsense about it. What is your overall conclusion. CD, or no CD?
 
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Major_Tom said:
Green line ad red circle are for a separate point. East face is on the right. That is the place to look. That is what happens when upper sheet falls behind lower sheet.

If upper falls over lower like WTC1 north, west and south faces, your large falling objects cover the ROOSD ejection pattern.

It is not difficult to tell whether upper perimeter sheet falls out over the lower during collapse initiation for any specific side.


If you look real hard at the WTC1 south wall and collapse images, you will find that upper kicks out over lower., hence the large falling objects a few posts ago.

We could have known this years ago but the NIST was holding the proof out of sight. Recent FOIA releases shows what we should have known for years.
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How is this not consistent with the NIST report, again?
 
Major_Tom said:
If you were a bit cleaver you could use such information to know everything you think you know about the WTC1 collapse initiation is a dream.
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The "information" in question, of course, being blurry photographs.

Minimal tilt angle should have told people it was a core-led collapse a while ago, but people were too busy pretending they know already.

But I don't have 9 more months to explain it to you while posters insult me with impunity.

If you were not a website focussed only on propaganda things like this could be studied and understood.

You create your own bed of ignorance. Please try to be less hostile to people who actually study before gabbing away.
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I do note the hypocrisy of telling us to be less hostile despite no less than six direct or passive-aggressive insults in the space of your post.

Major_Tom said:
We could have known this years ago but the NIST was holding the proof out of sight. Recent FOIA releases shows what we should have known for years.
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So why did they release the damning info at all? What is it with truthers claiming the massive, hyper-competent conspirators regularly release info and resources that contradict the official story?
 
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beachnut said:
What a great idea to remember those who died on 911, almost as moving as Major Tom's delusions on 911, as a great way to be evidence free and honor those killed solely by 19 terrorists who did 911. You are extremely thoughtful, like 911 truth.

911 truth can't grasp a gravity collapse so they make up nonsense of an inside job.


Saw this on 911, sorry, you are over 9 years late. Are you still a CD delusion guy, or are you finally smart enough to grasp gravity collapse.

This is not new, it is the WTC collapsing, in a gravity collapse. The only thing new is you trying to do what? You have proved no thermite was used with photos, and now you are finally seeing what was seen on 911, a gravity collapse, and you make up nonsense about it. What is your overall conclusion. CD, or no CD?
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The cost was too much. As in trillions of dollars of debt which pretty much spells the end of America.
 
I don't have a dog in this race (debunkers/truthers)... so my question is not one that I know. Do the "trails" have any significance? At what point of the collapse were these images captured? thx

 
Major_Tom said:
ladmo, much better forum here:

http://the911forum.freeforums.org/index.php

Trails are very important. Not those specific ones, but in general, yes.

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Answers can be found there.
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Thanks for the nod Major Tom

I certainly hope the discussion continues as I find divergent angles extremely informative. I have gone back and read some threads that both of you have done on this very subject and there is merit in this debate minus the hyperbole.
 
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Major_Tom said:
ladmo, much better forum here:

http://the911forum.freeforums.org/index.php

Trails are very important. Not those specific ones, but in general, yes.

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Removed breach of rule 12.


Answers can be found there.
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With over 9 years of failing to back in CD, what will you do now but show the WTC collapse and claim you know how it happen and attack NIST. Gee, engineers and laypeople alike knew after 911 the WTC collapse was due to gravity. You are pushing 10 years and you failed to figure out 911, and finally are making up names for how the WTC collapsed; it is called a gravity collapse. What is your point if you can't tie it to your failed CD claims?


MNBrant said:
The cost was too much. As in trillions of dollars of debt which pretty much spells the end of America.
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What are you talking about? Is this the fluff you promised? What does this have to do with the failed claims of the OP? The failed claim is...
Putting detonation charges on only the core columns ...
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Do you support the delusions of 911 truth?
 
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ladmo said:
I don't have a dog in this race (debunkers/truthers)... so my question is not one that I know. Do the "trails" have any significance?
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I'm guessing they signify something falling.

Also, I suggest you read both forums. Get both sides of the story, then make up your own mind. Even if you end up a Truther, at least you'll come by it honestly.
 
ladmo said:
I don't have a dog in this race (debunkers/truthers)... so my question is not one that I know. Do the "trails" have any significance? At what point of the collapse were these images captured? thx

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I can't see how they would. It's simply the dust that all that steel is passing through.

Although I'm sure that now that it's been pointed out, it'll be THE definitive proof that twoofers are after. If it hasn't been identified as such already....
 
000062... I truly appreciate your openness.. thanks! I am just attempting to gather information and this is quite enlightening.
 
NoahFence said:
I can't see how they would. It's simply the dust that all that steel is passing through.

Although I'm sure that now that it's been pointed out, it'll be THE definitive proof that twoofers are after. If it hasn't been identified as such already....
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The humor is appreciated, however I will look into trails... however insignificant they are.
 
ladmo said:
000062... I truly appreciate your openness.. thanks! I am just attempting to gather information and this is quite enlightening.
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In my own experience with the forum, people often jump to conclusions wrt the things you ask. The TM is pretty heavily criticized here for better or for worse. Can't say I'm much different considering what I've seen from the movement but hopefully you'll find your answer.
 
Grizzly Bear said:
In my own experience with the forum, people often jump to conclusions wrt the things you ask. The TM is pretty heavily criticized here for better or for worse. Can't say I'm much different considering what I've seen from the movement but hopefully you'll find your answer.
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Because 99.9999% of the information has been gone over too many times.
The few troofers that remain wish to remain willfully ignorant.



On a lighter note......Autocad for 7 years? I have been using it since 1984 :eek: release 1.3.....or was it 1.9......can't remember it has been so long.
 
ladmo said:
The humor is appreciated, however I will look into trails... however insignificant they are.
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Greetings ladmo. I see that you are trying to do some reasoned exploration whilst battling through the very high noise level on this forum.

If you have any specific area of interest in the WTC1 or WTC2 collapses I may also be able to provide either information or links.
 
NoahFence said:
Roosd?
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That's the acronym for the best engineering explanation of the twin tower collapses.
Unfortunately, the forensic engineering genius Major_Tom, who sees through the dust and debris so much more lucidly than the crême-de-la-crême of engineering departments and research bodies, simply forgot to publish it in a peer-reviewed engineering journal. Otherwise I would give you link now.

Maybe you want to aks him, too, if we can expect that paper anytime soon.
 
Oystein said:
That's the acronym for the best engineering explanation of the twin tower collapses.
Unfortunately, the forensic engineering genius Major_Tom, who sees through the dust and debris so much more lucidly than the crême-de-la-crême of engineering departments and research bodies, simply forgot to publish it in a peer-reviewed engineering journal. Otherwise I would give you link now.

Maybe you want to aks him, too, if we can expect that paper anytime soon.
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Here's the link:

http://the911forum.freeforums.org/oos-collapse-model-t361.html

ROOSD stands for "Runaway Open Office Space Destruction".

My favorite part is here:

Toward a mathematical model: Propagation mechanics

Runaway OOS mechanics will take the form:

for rubblized driving mass > M(1) moving at a downward velocity > V(1) , the runaway process is assured.

If driving mass M is big enough and the downward velocity V is big enough the conditions will probably escalate.

The best approach to answering these questions may be though simple computer simulations of rubblized debris dropped onto the OOS "basket". Rough estimates can probably be made by modifying the existing 1-D simulation models of other researchers. Cases would be tested STARTING with mass M(1) and velocity V(1) to see what results.
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His way of saying: "I don't know how to do the math. Can someone do the math for me?"
 
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