Merged Core-led collapse and explosive demolition

[jaydeehess]

Evidence of explosives is also in the description provided by witnesses, in the manner in which the floors blew out, according to them, in the pressure waves described, in the expulsion of tiny bone fragments laterally onto neighbouring buildings, and in the noise they created.

What traces of explosives would you expect to find in the rubble of a building that has been reduced literally to dust? Where not even something the size of a phone remained.

In 1974 I witnessed an attempted bank robbery. The thief had wired himself with several sticks of dynamite and told the bank manager to have all the money loaded into large sacks. the silent alarm was triggered and the street blocked off by the police. Directly accross the street from the bank is the local radio station and they were broadcasting live so a large crowd developed nearby. I was about 500 feet away on the steps of the library. A vehicle and driver was demanded by the robber and a local cop volunteered, a city pick up truck was driven up to the bank. The robber exited with his gun and the two men had the bags of money which they threw in the back. The Cop then walked around to the driver's side and at that moment a sharpshooter shot the robber. He had a 'deadman' switch in his hand, his grasp relaxed or he dropped the switch but the dynamite exploded blowing his body to pieces and crumpling that side of the truck. The concussive force severely injured the cop but he did survive.
The smallest bits of him went only a few dozen feet. I watched as something arced straight down the street and fell on the curb directly accross from where I was standing. As it arced I thought it was a piece of the truck. When it hit I saw that it was meat and clothing, I think it was part of his torso.

Point is that small bits will not travel far AND the explosive has to be in contact with the human in question.

 

[ergo]

Point is that small bits will not travel far AND the explosive has to be in contact with the human in question.

That would have been a nasty thing to witness, jaydee but, you know, personal anecdote doesn't make you an expert in these matters. Hundreds of bone fragments less than 1 inch long were found on the Deutschebank roof. Air gusts don't fragment live human bodies, ejecting the tiny pieces hundreds of feet laterally.

 

[Jackanory]

That would have been a nasty thing to witness, jaydee but, you know, personal anecdote doesn't make you an expert in these matters. Hundreds of bone fragments less than 1 inch long were found on the Deutschebank roof. Air gusts don't fragment live human bodies, ejecting the tiny pieces hundreds of feet laterally.

I wrote an 'anecdote' some time ago about a very good friend of mine. He was an explosives expert. He was a bomb disposal expert. He was a bomb disposal instructor. I witnessed him being blown up. Not much left of him from a direct blast.

Another very good friend of mine was seriously injured by an indirect blast. He survived but lost an eye.

Another very good friend lost his legs through the result of an indirect blast.

All 3 examples are very different conclusions with very different injuries from the same product.

You are clueless on explosives. Speak to an expert. I am waiting.

 

[Justin39640]

Tfk, do you think the bomb squad wouldn't already be there, intimately involved in the situation?

I hate to agree with you on this point but they were there and lost Detective Claude D. Richards. Though he was killed while searching for survivors in 6WTC. Still trying to find evidence they were actually dispatched and didn't just go as back up.

Aside from that. Firemen are VERY vocal. If there was any doubt in their minds they would be ALL OVER THE PLACE. I know lots of FDNY and NYPD. They think your ideas are nuts. They ignore you and your kind for the most part to keep them from doing something stupid that would cost them their job.

Knocking a truthers teeth in and getting fired for it is a real concern. Keeping quiet about an ins... hell, they wouldn't be FDNY if they could keep quiet about most things, especially something that killed 343 of their own.

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I can't find it anymore but there was an old video of a lone truther (guy in a suit jacket, shirt, and tie but with a scruffy beard, long hair, and glasses IIRC) in a sea of FDNY at a memorial (I think it was at GZ 02 or 03). He started shouting woo and almost got himself hospitalized. Anyone remember that or have a link?

 

[ergo]

From this article:

http://www.seattle911visibilityproject.org/rwtcpdf.pdf

1.1 First experts suggest explosives were used.

On September 11, 2001, American explosives expert Van Romero said: "My opinion is, based on the videotapes, that after the airplanes hit the World Trade Center there were some explosive devices inside the buildings that caused the towers to collapse.” The Albuquerque Journal further noted: “The detonation of bombs within the towers is consistent with a common terrorist strategy,” Romero said. “One of the things terrorist events are noted for is a diversionary attack and a secondary device,” Romero said. “Attackers detonate an initial, diversionary explosion that attracts emergency personnel to the scene, then detonate a second explosion,” he said. Romero said that if his scenario is correct, the diversionary attack would have been the collision of the planes into the towers. [10]

The next day, Mark Taylor, demolition expert noted in New Scientist: “it cascaded down like an implosion.” [11]

Webster Tarpley notes European expert sources who immediately suggested the possibility of explosives in the towers. On Sept. 12, the Danish "bomb expert" Mr. Bent Lund stated: "an estimated amount of circa 1 tons of extra high-explosives bombs must have been detonated inside the World Trade Center complex in order to make the Towers collapse in the manner they did." [12]

Jens Claus Hansen, a high ranking officer of the Danish Military Academy, on 9/11/01 stated in an interview: “Additional bombs must have been placed inside the WTC towers--otherwise they would not have collapsed as they actually did.”

Former NATO General Keld Hillingsoe in the same interview stated: “Additional bombs must have been installed inside buildings.”

On Sept 13, 2001, Hugo Bachmann, Professor Emeritus of building dynamics and earth quake engineering at the Swiss Eidgenossische Technische Hochschule in Zurich saw two possible scenarios, and felt that both should be investigated. The first was fire and its effects on the steel supports; the second, an additional terrorist action. The article quoted by Tarpley noted that Bachmann “could imagine that the perpetrators had installed explosives on key supports in a lower floor before the attack.” [13]

....Although Van Romero later “changed his mind”, he still admitted the collapses looked like demolitions [16]

 

[Justin39640]

That would have been a nasty thing to witness, jaydee but, you know, personal anecdote doesn't make you an expert in these matters. Hundreds of bone fragments less than 1 inch long were found on the Deutschebank roof. Air gusts don't fragment live human bodies, ejecting the tiny pieces hundreds of feet laterally.

What about collisions? Compression ejections (that's probably the wrong term for it)? Not to mention tiny bone fragments would indicate they went through a grinder of sorts very early on in the collapse (in order to land on top of a tall building). When the buildings collapsed everything was pulverized, including people. If we had torsos and meat like Jaydee said, you might have a point.

 

[Disbelief]

From this article:

http://www.seattle911visibilityproject.org/rwtcpdf.pdf

1.1 First experts suggest explosives were used.

On September 11, 2001, American explosives expert Van Romero said: "My opinion is, based on the videotapes, that after the airplanes hit the World Trade Center there were some explosive devices inside the buildings that caused the towers to collapse.” The Albuquerque Journal further noted: “The detonation of bombs within the towers is consistent with a common terrorist strategy,” Romero said. “One of the things terrorist events are noted for is a diversionary attack and a secondary device,” Romero said. “Attackers detonate an initial, diversionary explosion that attracts emergency personnel to the scene, then detonate a second explosion,” he said. Romero said that if his scenario is correct, the diversionary attack would have been the collision of the planes into the towers. [10]

Like you said, he changed his mind after more information.

The next day, Mark Taylor, demolition expert noted in New Scientist: “it cascaded down like an implosion.” [11]

Simile...again.

Webster Tarpley notes European expert sources who immediately suggested the possibility of explosives in the towers. On Sept. 12, the Danish "bomb expert" Mr. Bent Lund stated: "an estimated amount of circa 1 tons of extra high-explosives bombs must have been detonated inside the World Trade Center complex in order to make the Towers collapse in the manner they did." [12]

How loud would a ton of these bombs be?

Jens Claus Hansen, a high ranking officer of the Danish Military Academy, on 9/11/01 stated in an interview: “Additional bombs must have been placed inside the WTC towers--otherwise they would not have collapsed as they actually did.”

Why would he be an expert?

Former NATO General Keld Hillingsoe in the same interview stated: “Additional bombs must have been installed inside buildings.”

Why would he be an expert?

On Sept 13, 2001, Hugo Bachmann, Professor Emeritus of building dynamics and earth quake engineering at the Swiss Eidgenossische Technische Hochschule in Zurich saw two possible scenarios, and felt that both should be investigated. The first was fire and its effects on the steel supports; the second, an additional terrorist action. The article quoted by Tarpley noted that Bachmann “could imagine that the perpetrators had installed explosives on key supports in a lower floor before the attack.” [13]

Why would he be an expert?

Do any of your experts present evidence?

 

[leftysergeant]

That would have been a nasty thing to witness, jaydee but, you know, personal anecdote doesn't make you an expert in these matters. Hundreds of bone fragments less than 1 inch long were found on the Deutschebank roof. Air gusts don't fragment live human bodies, ejecting the tiny pieces hundreds of feet laterally.

An aircraft slamming into a grid of steel beams at over 400 mph will make some pretty small pieces of people. So will tumbling slabs of concrete. When too much rubble intermingled with pieces of people tries to go through the same space, it winds up getting spread out laterally. In the case of the towers, that lateral spread was forceful enough to move multi-ton steel objects sideways.

You have no point.

 

[Jackanory]

From this article:

http://www.seattle911visibilityproject.org/rwtcpdf.pdf

1.1 First experts suggest explosives were used.

On September 11, 2001, American explosives expert Van Romero said: "My opinion is, based on the videotapes, that after the airplanes hit the World Trade Center there were some explosive devices inside the buildings that caused the towers to collapse.” The Albuquerque Journal further noted: “The detonation of bombs within the towers is consistent with a common terrorist strategy,” Romero said. “One of the things terrorist events are noted for is a diversionary attack and a secondary device,” Romero said. “Attackers detonate an initial, diversionary explosion that attracts emergency personnel to the scene, then detonate a second explosion,” he said. Romero said that if his scenario is correct, the diversionary attack would have been the collision of the planes into the towers. [10]

The next day, Mark Taylor, demolition expert noted in New Scientist: “it cascaded down like an implosion.” [11]

Webster Tarpley notes European expert sources who immediately suggested the possibility of explosives in the towers. On Sept. 12, the Danish "bomb expert" Mr. Bent Lund stated: "an estimated amount of circa 1 tons of extra high-explosives bombs must have been detonated inside the World Trade Center complex in order to make the Towers collapse in the manner they did." [12]

Jens Claus Hansen, a high ranking officer of the Danish Military Academy, on 9/11/01 stated in an interview: “Additional bombs must have been placed inside the WTC towers--otherwise they would not have collapsed as they actually did.”

Former NATO General Keld Hillingsoe in the same interview stated: “Additional bombs must have been installed inside buildings.”

On Sept 13, 2001, Hugo Bachmann, Professor Emeritus of building dynamics and earth quake engineering at the Swiss Eidgenossische Technische Hochschule in Zurich saw two possible scenarios, and felt that both should be investigated. The first was fire and its effects on the steel supports; the second, an additional terrorist action. The article quoted by Tarpley noted that Bachmann “could imagine that the perpetrators had installed explosives on key supports in a lower floor before the attack.” [13]

....Although Van Romero later “changed his mind”, he still admitted the collapses looked like demolitions [16]

Dumb people the world over. You just point more and more of them out. Cool.

 

[ergo]

Simile...again.

Heh. Nothing's ever quite good enough for the armchair experts at JREF. If he had said "cascaded down in an obvious implosion" you would say, "What an idiot. He has no idea what he's talking about. What an asshat." Then you would be scurrying to find some dirt on him.

In fact, wow. Right on cue:

Dumb people the world over. You just point more and more of them out.

Why would he be an expert?

Why would he be an expert?

Why would he be an expert?

Sorry, who are the experts you're citing? I don't recall seeing any names.

 

[Jackanory]

From this article:

http://www.seattle911visibilityproject.org/rwtcpdf.pdf

On September 11, 2001, American explosives expert Van Romero said:

"My opinion is, based on the videotapes,

“it cascaded down like an implosion.”

"an estimated amount of circa 1 tons of extra high-explosives bombs must have been detonated inside the World Trade Center complex in order to make the Towers collapse in the manner they did."

“Additional bombs must have been placed inside the WTC towers--otherwise they would not have collapsed as they actually did.”

“Additional bombs must have been installed inside buildings.”

the second, an additional terrorist action.

“could imagine that the perpetrators had installed explosives on key supports in a lower floor before the attack.” [13]

he still admitted the collapses looked like demolitions

Your bible. Cool.

 

[Disbelief]

Heh. Nothing's ever quite good enough for the armchair experts at JREF. If he had said "cascaded down in an obvious implosion" you would say, "What an idiot. He has no idea what he's talking about. What an asshat." Then you would be scurrying to find some dirt on him.

Yet he did not say that, but you proved you do not understand similes...again.

Sorry, who are the experts you're citing? I don't recall seeing any names.

I am just asking questions. You said that Webster Tarpley found experts and I am trying to figure out why they are considered experts in demolition.

 

[ergo]

Never any sources
never any names
never any facts
for their numerous claims...

Yep, we know what 9/11 'debunkery' is all about.

 

[Jackanory]

Heh. Nothing's ever quite good enough for the armchair experts at JREF. If he had said "cascaded down in an obvious implosion" you would say, "What an idiot. He has no idea what he's talking about. What an asshat." Then you would be scurrying to find some dirt on him.

In fact, wow. Right on cue:

You are so predictable. So very easy to show your lack of real knowledge.

Whilst you post quotemined bollox due to your lack of real knowledge, I sit in my armchair with a head full of real world knowledge and hands on experience using the stuff you pretend to know about. This prevents me from visiting and viewing the woo you offer up. Yep......you post up idiots and quotes from idiots. Cool.

 

[Jackanory]

Never any sources
never any names
never any facts
for their numerous claims...

Yep, we know what 9/11 'debunkery' is all about.

Get over yourself. lol. Guffs & giggles.

 

[Justin39640]

Never any sources
never any names
never any facts
for their numerous claims...

Yep, we know what 9/11 'debunkery' is all about.

You must have 99% of this sub-forum on ignore.

 

[dafydd]

You must have 99% of this sub-forum on ignore.

It's only fair,99.999999999999999999999999 percent of the world's population have the Truthers on ignore. No wonder they get ratty.

 

[A W Smith]

That would have been a nasty thing to witness, jaydee but, you know, personal anecdote doesn't make you an expert in these matters. Hundreds of bone fragments less than 1 inch long were found on the Deutschebank roof. Air gusts don't fragment live human bodies, ejecting the tiny pieces hundreds of feet laterally.

no but when you fly a plane through a building, flight 11 victim remains will land on the deutsche bank building and flight 175 victim remains will land on top of building seven.

 

[Animal]

That would have been a nasty thing to witness, jaydee but, you know, personal anecdote doesn't make you an expert in these matters. Hundreds of bone fragments less than 1 inch long were found on the Deutschebank roof. Air gusts don't fragment live human bodies, ejecting the tiny pieces hundreds of feet laterally.

There were fragments found in manholes as well..........try and think how they may have gotten there.

Free hint....it wasn't explosives.

 

[triforcharity]

<nit pick>

Wasn't the bomb squad sent to three places? The "infamous" van, one of the tunnels and a school (nothing to do with the WTC site).Does show they were working that day.

</nit pick>

I agree 100%. I know they were working that day. However, nobody from FDNY called them to investigate bombs in the towers.