Merged Core-led collapse and explosive demolition

dafydd said:
Tell how how the explosives were rigged without anyone noticing. Bet you can't.
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I don't think any Truther has ever been able to. They just mutter something about the partial maintenance work done recently and change the subject.
 
SpringHallConvert said:
As you guys always say to me, your incredulity does not constitute proof.

Try again.
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It's not surprising that you are unable to answer the simplest question. Look up the meaning of the word 'incredulity'. There is no evidence of of explosives, so I have nothing to be incredulous about. We will take it that you know that there were no explosives.
 
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dafydd said:
Tell you what. We'll put some explosives in a shed, set fire to it and you sit next to it for an hour. ( Just a thought experiment)
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And you guys consider yourselves to have scientific minds? Ha, ha, ha!

Comparing the building dynamics of a World Trade Center tower to that of a shed? Ha, ha, ha!

Ah ha, ha, ha, ha! You guys are a barrel of laughs!
 
dafydd said:
It's not surprising that you are unable to answer the simplest question. We will take it that you know that there were no explosives.
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Try again. Since NIST didn't investigate for explosives, we have no real idea if explosives or incendiaries were used or not.

Back to the drawing board for you government truthers.
 
The Dark Lord said:
I thought that 9/11 actually happened the way the "official story" says except for that al Qaeda really works for the evil billionaire Jews that secretly control everything. Is it that or did the evil billionaire Jews that secretly control everything blow up the WTC? Can't have it both ways.
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Yes I can, as it's quite possible that 9/11 was set up as an inside job and the World Trade Center was rigged with explosive/incendiaries as an insurance policy to make sure they were completely destroyed and not left standing. The 9/11 PSYOP wouldn't have been nearly as successful if the World Trade Center didn't come down the way it did.

I reserve the right to have it one way or both ways, if I so choose.
 
Because I have actually seen the kind of work required to do this in the world record controlled demolition of the JL Hudson's building.and I made it a point to find out what kind of work needed to be done. Not just watching a conspiracy theorist youtube video. Mine is based on knowledge not question from ignorance.
 
SpringHallConvert said:
I reserve the right to have it one way or both ways, if I so choose.
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Fact of the matter is that the two "theories" are mutually exclusive and you can logically believe only one. But since you're a troll who doesn't care about the truth, that doesn't really bother you, does it?
 
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So I take it SpringHallConvert does not actually know how a controlled demolition is done? Why crew always do lot of pre-cutting, why detonation cord is used (not easy to hide that stuff) How a cutting charge works. Why thermite would never work.

I do. Ignorance of the subject makes it easier to sell the conspiracy theorist hype.
 
SpringHallConvert said:
And you guys consider yourselves to have scientific minds? Ha, ha, ha!

Comparing the building dynamics of a World Trade Center tower to that of a shed? Ha, ha, ha!

Ah ha, ha, ha, ha! You guys are a barrel of laughs!
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In lieu of any real answers from you, that will have to do. What does building dynamics have to do with fire-resistant explosives? If you are not trolling then do try to think these things through. I know that's hard for a truther, but do try.
 
SpringHallConvert said:
Yes I can, as it's quite possible that 9/11 was set up as an inside job and the World Trade Center was rigged with explosive/incendiaries as an insurance policy to make sure they were completely destroyed and not left standing. The 9/11 PSYOP wouldn't have been nearly as successful if the World Trade Center didn't come down the way it did.

I reserve the right to have it one way or both ways, if I so choose.
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How was it rigged without anyone noticing? If you knew anything at all about the subject then you would know that a CD takes a lot of preparation. Of course you know that were no explosives. Troll on.
 
REAL controlled demolition use "Shape Charge Explosives" These do not blow steel apart but are designed to focus a hypersonic slug of metal at the cut point. These must be attached at exactly the right spot and right distance from the steel, so to do it you need access to the steel which would require removing walls. Detonation cord is always used because wire tends to created a static charge that would create a danger of setting off sensitive blasting caps. Very hard to hide the thousands of feet of det-cord needed. These cutting charges are very loud by design, you would hear the spaced BOOM BOOM of each explosive a second BEFORE collapse even starts.

In the truthers fantasy movie inspired world one must only set some explosives or thermite by the steel and set it off, Sorry that does not happen in the real world.
 
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SpringHallConvert said:
Try again. Since NIST didn't investigate for explosives, we have no real idea if explosives or incendiaries were used or not.

Back to the drawing board for you government truthers.
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There are no "government truthers".......

There ARE peer reviewed engineering papers in journals, various case studies done on the collapses, and many other engineering investigations.....perhaps you missed them? Here is a hint...they aren't on youtube ;)

The reasons why NIST didn't investigate for "explosives" or "incendiaries" (you might want to look up what those words actually mean...I would suggest starting with the dictionary and moving on from there) were EXACTLY the same reasons no one else did...because they are not moronic or insane.

There was NO PRELIMINARY EVIDENCE for any of this stuff....not before the collapse, or during it, or immediately after it. There was no evidence during the months and months of clean up either.

You might have missed the really REALLY large planes hitting the buildings....or the huge fires that were started.....the massive structural damage......the physical deformations in the buildings before collapse....and the many eyewitness testimonies from both inside and outside the towers.

When you look at the actual physical evidence and leave fantasy land....there is no reason to consider space beams, mini nukes, sooper sekrit silent explosives planted by invisible ninjas, or nano-banano-sooper-dooper-only exists in our imagination-thermite.
 
ergo said:
Um... sorry, you KNOW that WTC demolitions are not true? How do you "know" this? What theory are you proposing in its stead?

Sorry, but I'm not going to allow such an offhand comment to be tossed out casually like that, as if it's common knowledge. Unless you have a credible theory to explain the loss of 90% structural resistance of the three towers on that day, you can't make these kinds of claims. Do you?
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What is sadly hilarious is that they say no way the three buildings could have been rigged yet they insist that the buildings were able to demolish/pulverize themselves with force of their own mass.
 
Clayton Moore said:
What is sadly hilarious is that they say no way the three buildings could have been rigged yet they insist that the buildings were able to demolish/pulverize themselves with force of their own mass.
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How much "force" (you surely mean energy) did it take to demolish/pulverize the three buildings? Would, say 30,000 individual high explosive charges of 10 pounds each have sufficed? Too much? Too little?

How big are explosive charges for CDs typically? More than 10 pounds, less than ten pounds?


To help you answer these questions, here are some facts about the demolition of the 30-story Landmark Tower in Fort Worth, Texas:
http://www.dhgt.com/PDF/A talented team of demolition experts.pdf

Quoting some hard figures:
... 380-foot tall, 30-story Landmark Tower ...

"The Land mark Tower
was the tallest building imploded in Texas, and the second tallest building ever imploded
in the world."
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The explosive charges used to bring down the Landmark Tower weighed only 364 pounds, consisting of 198 pounds of 60-percent nitroglycerine-based gel in 1-1/4 inch sticks, and 166 pounds of RDX (a C-4 derivative). The explosives were supplied by Buckley Powder Company.

To break structural steel, 369 linear shaped armor-piercing charges were required. Concrete columns were broken with the larger charges of RDX ranging from 2 ounces to 12 ounces at a density of 600 grains to 4,000 grains per lineal foot.

All of the charges were detonated with a non-electric system, and each charge position had trump lines and multiple detonators to ensure reliability. The detonation period was set for a total of six seconds, with 120 different sequenced and delayed detonations of 8 milliseconds or greater.
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It seems that they used charges that were, on average, aboout half a pound. Right? And less than 1,000 individual charges.

Now the Landmark Tower was 30 floors, the 3 WTC towers were a total 267 floors, or nearly 9 times as much. Let's say their floor area was 4 times that of the Landmark, giving the WTC 36 times the volume of the Lamdmark. Let's further assume the WTC supports were three times as strong, and the evil-doers doubled the size of the charges on top of that, so, all in all, they needed <36,000 charges of an average 3 pounds each. Cool, eh? Still only a third of what I asked above. ~50-60 tons of TNT.

With me so far?

Remember, that's total overkill. 16,000 times 3 pounds for each of the Twin Towers, 4,000 charges for WTC7. Roughly.

And these 50-60 tons are only around 20% of the potential energy of the mass of the towers.

Do you understand that?



Now listen to the <1,000 charges of 0.5 pounds each at the Landmark:



(feel free to look at the many related videos, too)
Notice how the soundtrack is dominated by AWESOMELY, INSANELY LOUD BANG BANG BANG BANG BANGs?
That's 1/4 ton of explosives.

Now you show me where you hear 25 tons of explosives (100 times as much as in the above video!) go off in one of the twin towers, or more than 5 tons go off in WTC7, and maybe you convince us ;)
 
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Plus, y'know, the bright, clearly visible flashes of light.
Clayton Moore said:
What is sadly hilarious is that they say no way the three buildings could have been rigged yet they insist that the buildings were able to demolish/pulverize themselves with force of their own mass.
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Well, no, there were also planes and fire involved at various points. Quite a lot of it.

Someone on political forum calculated that by the time the upper block in one of the towers hit the lower, it hit with roughly six times the mass of the entire building.
 
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