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Contradictions needed!

Ruby

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Hi everyone,

I've been debating on a Christian forum and I have myself a bit cornered by three blood thirsty legalistic Christians.

I need a good list of bible contradictions. Even just a few would be good to start.

I can only think of a few passages offhand........mostly in the Gospels.......the different accounts take of Jesus death on the cross.

Thanks!!!
 
There are hundreds of 'em, Ruby. You'll have those guys reeling in no time.

You can start with the creation myth. There are two versions in Genesis and they're slightly different.
 
Ipecac said:
There are hundreds of 'em, Ruby. You'll have those guys reeling in no time.

You can start with the creation myth. There are two versions in Genesis and they're slightly different.
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I think I have these guys confused......I know the scriptures and quote them to them, but say I don't really believe in them. They are confounded by that. They have also accused me of "taking away" from the book of Revelation since I said it was "unimportant" to me. I think they are cornering me because they are afraid I am in danger of hellfire. They also want to trip me up.

The thread I am debating on is supposed to be about baptism. I was arguing that the scriptures were so full of contradictions on the issue of whether or not to baptize that it should not matter. They are arguing that the scripture clearly teach you must be baptized to be "saved". The whole thing is evolving into something else!!
 
Ruby said:
I need a good list of bible contradictions. Even just a few would be good to start.
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Here are a few taken from The Encyclopedia of Biblical Errancy (C. Dennis MeKinsey)

2 Samuel 8:4 - 700 horsemen
1 Chron 18:4 - 7,000 horsemen

2 Kings 8:26 - 22 years old
2 Chron 22:2 - 42 years old

2 Samuel 6:23 - no sons
2 Samuel 21:8 - 5 sons

2 Samuel 24:9 - 800,00 men
1 Chron 21:5 - 1,100,000 men

2 Kings 25:8 - 7th day
Jer 52:12 - 10th day

1 Kings 9:23 - 550 officers
2 Chron 8:10 - 250 officers

2 Kings 24:8 - 18 years
2 Chron 36:9 - 8 years

1 Sam 31:4 - killed himself
2 Sam 21:12 - Philistine
2 Sam 1:10 - Amalekite

Acts 1:18 - 30 pieces of silver
Matt 27:3-5 - returned the money

etc etc
 
And always use the King James Version verses. They're much scarier and old-timey sounding.
 
Greetings my friend Ruby

I for many years studied the NT and OT and debated often concerning the Contradictions. I stopped for many reasons:

A- With the wrong people it was rude to confront what they healed dear regardless of their seeking debate.
B- Ego arose in me at times “ enjoying” being “right”.

Lastly even with people who were as these people you speak of, aggressive etc you will NEVER win. You will clearly demonstrate a clear contradiction providing all facts, date etc and the response will be:

1- “ You are taking it out of context” That will be followed with you asking for the “ right context and proof” that will be followed with crickets.
2- “ because” followed by you asking for more then that followed by, crickets.
3- Anger will start to arise and you will be accused being “stupid” “evil” “lost” a “fool” etc, etc, etc.

When you point out for example:

Matt. 5:22 Whosoever shall say Thou fool, shall be in danger of hellfire.
And
JAMES 1:26 -If Anyone among you thinks he is religious, and does not bridle his sharp tongue but deceives his own heart, this ones religion is useless~

Their responses will be a replay of my 1-2 and 3.

You are where I was years ago after years of schooling and being raised in a Christian family I knew I did not believe what Christianity held but first fear (an illusion) kept be bound, then the fear of “ what if it is true then I am screwed” that passed then came debating and that was found for ME to be fruitless and more of a self “fulfilling” and ego trip if you will. But that is just me and I do not speak for you.

We do not have the power to change anyone and the “need” or desire to such as a Christian or other god based group seeking to convert of a non believer in the god idea seeking to change a believer, I believe is 100% a self or ego need. The need to be right, on the “right team”.

I still allow my silly self to become caught up in my ego but will always keep trying to catch myself.

I believe to plant the seeds of loving kindness, respect and compassion will “change” others to what I believe is best, loving kindness, respect and compassion for all living things.

Like all seeds they will grow and flower when the causes and conditions are right.

I still love to debate but on this topic you will NEVER WIN and only become frustrated.

This is just what I believe.

May you and all be well and happy.

OH yes, one last thing.

I am the most intelligent, hansom, sexy human on earth :bgrin: and if you do NOT believe me, refer to number lines 1-2 & 3.


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Ruby said:


Thanks!!!

This link should take you to the thread I am debating in. http://www.christianforums.com/t49570&page=13&pp=20

I go by the username of Gentle Panther.
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Thanks for the link, Ruby :).

I'll be joining that particular forum in a few minutes (if not after I finish the post, sometime later tonight). Golly gee, will these people get upset if go by the username "Yahweh"? If Yahweh is already taken, I'll go by "Philosopher Yahweh".

I am well versed on the New Testament, I know my way around the Old testament, and I'm going to begin working on familiarizing myself with the Book of Mormon.

I know I'll have quite a good time on that board. How do I know, from this quote on the forum's header...
Christian Forums is a free, non-profit and non-denominational Christian forum community uniting all Christians as one body.
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Pahansiri said:
Greetings my friend Ruby

I for many years studied the NT and OT and debated often concerning the Contradictions. I stopped for many reasons:

A- With the wrong people it was rude to confront what they healed dear regardless of their seeking debate.
B- Ego arose in me at times “ enjoying” being “right”.

Lastly even with people who were as these people you speak of, aggressive etc you will NEVER win. You will clearly demonstrate a clear contradiction providing all facts, date etc and the response will be:

1- “ You are taking it out of context” That will be followed with you asking for the “ right context and proof” that will be followed with crickets.
2- “ because” followed by you asking for more then that followed by, crickets.
3- Anger will start to arise and you will be accused being “stupid” “evil” “lost” a “fool” etc, etc, etc.
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You are probably right, but there is always the chance that some doubt will be put into someone's thinking. I try to stop, but I can't. I've been trying to end the debate, but getted trapped into it again.

I used to debate a lot when I ran my own forum. I was pretty much a fundamentalist at the time. There were some, who were liberal, and at first they confounded me, but at some point I did wonder and question things. I became a lot less fundamental before I left my forum.

Now being on here, my beliefs have really been challenged to the point of becoming a very liberal Christian........no longer believing the bible to be inspired and other things...

I believe to plant the seeds of loving kindness, respect and compassion will “change” others to what I believe is best, loving kindness, respect and compassion for all living things.

Like all seeds they will grow and flower when the causes and conditions are right.
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Well, I'm not exactly a vicious person! :D

I am the most intelligent, hansom, sexy human on earth :bgrin: and if you do NOT believe me, refer to number lines 1-2 & 3.


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LOL!!!
 
Hi Ruby,

The above references are all excellent, and well worth a careful read.

I have another URL to offer you with something similar, but perhaps useful when away from the computer: Compact Bible Errata. It is laid out in such a way that you can print it double-sided (even on printers that don't do that automatically), trim it down and fold it to fit in your pocket, purse or what-have-you.

Just in case you bump into your former fellow worshipers and feel like giving them something to think about. Heh heh heh.

Good luck with the debates! Please keep us apprised.

bPer
 
riginally posted by Ruby

You are probably right, but there is always the chance that some doubt will be put into someone's thinking.
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And are you doing that to ‘save them”? Is this for them or you? Is this the same old converting with new paint?


Just asking and I mean no disrespect.




I try to stop, but I can't. I've been trying to end the debate, but getted trapped into it again.
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BS!!! Lol..

You “can’t” or do not yet wish to? There is a great difference. As “ getting trapped into it again” lol again BS!!!… I have a friend who said her poor son is always getting dragged though the mud, I reminded her that no one was dragged through the mud without first self tying on the rope.

No one can trap or force you to debate.


I used to debate a lot when I ran my own forum. I was pretty much a fundamentalist at the time.
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That is hard to image, you being such you are a kind and sweet being. I do know others who are too very kind and sweet that are fundamentalist, point out that they may be wrong or do not believe what they wish you to and the sweet becomes sour fast.

There were some, who were liberal, and at first they confounded me, but at some point I did wonder and question things. I became a lot less fundamental before I left my forum.
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Yes many things stimulate what is already in the mind but the bottom line it was always there, the doubt but fear keeps it buried. When we see it is us that is the creator of the fear and not anything else it fades.

Well, I'm not exactly a vicious person! :D
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That is for sure you are a good, kind and sweet being.
 
Ruby,

I can understand your problem, but as Panhanrishi says, you just have to let it go. Tell them you have said what you believe to be true, and thank them for their time. Then drop it.

As you have recently been a Xian and going to church, only to see one massive Xian contradiction forced on you, it is probably best to leave this sort of thing alone for a while. You will not be able to change their minds, it is only something that they will have to work out for themselves, just as you did. Just give them the evidence that you have seen for yourself.

I was brought up a Catholic, and, while I am glad I have dropped all that stuff, my parents are still quite firm in their belief, (although not the dogmatic people they once were).

They too knew that being total believers in the teachings of the Church only led to absurdity too. So, like most people, they have reached an accomodation between what they know is reasonable in the world and what they feel gives them comfort in faith. In absolute terms, this is a nonsense, but they are happy to live with these contradictions. And I am happy for them to be like that. They are not hurting anyone, (now....), with dogmatic adherence to a 'faith'.
 
Ruby,

I had a quick look at that thread. It brought back all those old feelings of being trapped in a miserable life of rules and obligations that make living life like being dead, and wishing death would hurry up so I would be free of it.

Now, I'm not saying that life is perfect outside that mindset, but at least I now have the capacity to try to sort things out for myself in a reasonable and ethical manner. I have done stupid things and good things, but I would have achieved nothing the old way of living.
 
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