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Computer, color printer, & camera questions:

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I work at my local library, and I have been set on a mission to locate a color printer & digital camera. I need something user friendly and not too costly.

Basically, we need a camera to assist in the monthly creation of our newsletter, and a color printer that works in conjunction with said camera. The color printer needs enough durability to be used almost daily by patrons.

Any suggestions, or direction as to where I might find an inexpensive quality product?
 
Will you be downloading the shots to a computer or do you want to print directly from the camera?

If all sorts of people will be using the camera get the most basic features. The easier it is to operate the less time you will have to spend explaining how to use it. I would recommend one that uses plain AA batteries then buy NiMH rechargeables for it. High pixel count is probably a non-issue as you likely won't need big enlargements.

Just about any manufacturer that makes both cameras and printers will have units that work together. HP, Canon and Epson come to mind.

You can probably get a pretty good deal at any of the big box electronics retailers.
 
Thanks...

...actually the camera itself will only be used by staff workers. The printer itself is what will be accessibly to patrons.

Ease in software use was or rather is a guiding issue.

Printing directly from the camera isn't really neccessary.

We were hoping to spend less than $1000 for both items.

Here is the camera we are considering:

http://www.digitalcamera-hq.com/sony-cybershot-dscw7-reviews.html

And here is the printer:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00005Y7AY/102-1506038-8226520?v=glance&n=172282

Any comments or suggestions would be appreciated.
 
I am a fan of Canon cameras (they make good printers, too) and would favour them over Sony. Google that model for reviews and comments, this will tell you if it is a good one or not.

I have a Brother Laser and an Epson Photo Printer and both are good at what they do. I'm afraid that the printer you linked to will have very poor colour reproduction. Considering that it is a monchrome laser printer. I would probably get an HP to put in a public setting. They are a workhorse and toner price isn't too bad.
 
I'll ask Zeplette to contribute - she uses Canon cameras and printers professionally, and was recently demonstrating the printers for the public. Let me just goad her into action here...
 
Well, actually, what has been suggested looks pretty good already. I don't really know much about printers, to be perfectly honest, and camera prices are really quite variable depending on where you buy them. I'm not really much help, I guess. Sorry.
 
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Any quality suggestions yet?

I am looking for a solid selection suggestion.

Can anyone suggest a model number to look for, for these two items?

I can spend only about $1000 for both items combined. Again we are looking for something easy to use and 'some' editorial functions for the camera, and something very hardy & inexpensive to operate for the printer.
 
You really need to clarify if you need a colour printer or not as the one you linked to isn't.
 
Okay, this is work for me.

For the cameras, how much resolution will you need? How much zoom? Does the card type matter? How compact do you need? Is low-light performance an issue?

You can't go far wrong with anything Canon makes. Most of their powershot series also uses AA batteries, which can be useful if they are not charged and the person needs to use the camera right away. I am not a fan of the Sony cameras.

As for the printer, is it primarily for photos, or other things? Need more details...
 
To rustypouch:

Thanks for your offered assistance.

What we need (camera) is something easy to use and transfer data to our computer to assist in our monthly newsletter. Right now, we simply employ a throw-away type camera that we have delveloped and the images put onto disks. Sometimes cropping the edges and moving the images around can get hairy. As far as resolution goes, we aren't going to be taking sports pictures, nor are we going to have to 'zoom-in' on a bunch of stuff. But we want to get something that 'can' be used for as much stuff as possible. Bascially we want to get the best digital camera we can get for $500...that is relatively easy to use.

We need a printer that works in conjunction with the camera, but mainly to be used by patrons to print color images off the internet, or images they have configured within Word. Also we need it be be hardy and have a low operational cost, something we won't have to break the bank over to put refill cartrages into.

Any assistance or suggestions you could offer would be greatly appreaciated.
 
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$500 (US I assume) is plenty of money for a digital camera. If you run XP then download from most of the newer cameras is trivial and you won't even need any special software. Download the GIMP for free and you'll have plenty of tools for manipulating your images. Most cameras also come with software for image manipulation.

I would recommend a Canon camera as I really like mine. There should be good deals on 4 megapixel cameras now and keep in mind that for your $500 you will want to get extra NiMH batteries and a charger (get a camera that uses AA batteries), probably an extra memory card and don't forget a carry case. Shop around a little and don't be scared to tell a salesperson what you want. A good salesperson can be very helpful. An independant shop may be willing to help out a library even more. Most of the newer cameras are very easy to operate.

Colour printers come in a few flavours. Colour laser is quite expensive and refilling is very expensive. Ink-jet is the cheaper choice and there are a few different types. There are photo printers and colour printers. Photo printers usually have six ink colours, two cyans, two magentas, yellow and black. Regular colour printers have cyan, magenta, yellow and black. Photo printers have long lasting inks and perform best with photo paper. Regular colour printers are great with regular paper and is probably what you want.

The next thing to watch in ink-jets is the print heads. Some printers have the print heads on the cartridge. Common in HP and Lexmark. This makes the cartridges more expensive but you get new print heads each time. Other printers have the print head in the printer and the ink cartridge is just a tank of ink. Epson, many Canons and Brother are like this. The problem with this type is that if the print head fails they have to replaced as opposed to buying a new cartridge in the others. However I would recommend this type as it will probably be used quite frequnetly which actually keeps the print heads from drying up and will be cheaper to keep supplied with ink. Get a Canon that uses BCI 3 cartridges or similar. (They use several different cartridges.) They are cheap and reliable.

To recap the printer:
Regular colour printer not Photo. Built in print heads for cheaper ink replacement costs. Probably something in a Canon.

Find a good salesperson to help you.

I'm sorry I don't have a bunch of models to offer. I don't stay on top of models and only have general advice.

Good luck.
 
I am a fan of Canon cameras (they make good printers, too) and would favour them over Sony. Google that model for reviews and comments, this will tell you if it is a good one or not.

I have a Brother Laser and an Epson Photo Printer and both are good at what they do. I'm afraid that the printer you linked to will have very poor colour reproduction. Considering that it is a monchrome laser printer. I would probably get an HP to put in a public setting. They are a workhorse and toner price isn't too bad.

Canon printers also seem to have much cheaper cartridges, compared to the outright scam HP printers are running nowadays.

I haven't used HP color laser printers in awhile, though we had a lot of troubles with one of the early models.
 
You generally won't find a 'hardy' color printer for the price point you're looking at.

You shouldn't even consider inkjets for this task; you'll spend fortunes in ink and printheads if you've got patrons printing off webpages and photos, without draconian Librarian oversight. You'll definitely want to go with laser for this.

Figure you could spend $300 on a good color inkjet. Then figure you might spend $60 a month on ink and printheads, or more (more if you use a printer that has all the inks in one cartridge, like most HPs).
Or you could spend $500 on a color laser, and spend maybe $400 a year on toner and imaging drums (lasers are just like inkjets: some 'toner' cartridges are nothing more than tubes of toner, and are cheap, but will occasionally require expensive imaging drums to be replaced; some 'toner' cartridges are toner+imaging drum, but are more expensive. $30 for a 2000-sheet toner tube from Okidata with a $150-200 20,000-sheet imaging drum, or $120 for a 4000-sheet toner+drum from HP.
Laserjets typically won't have as good a photo output as the inkjets, but they cost significantly less in the long run. They also print faster (less patron traffic jams), and usually have better duty cycles.

And for any major printing job (like, say, a patron newsletter for three thousand patrons), you'll almost always be better served by taking THAT to a professional print shop.

Really, I'd spend $150 on a decent camera and the rest of it on a nice network-enabled color laser printer. A 'workgroup' printer, preferably, since it'll be better-made than a consumer printer, but not cost as much as a print shop printer. I'm not sure what sort of lasers have a direct-from-camera print capability, which you seem to want, however.

We're dealing with this very same ink-vs-laser issue where I work, and the administration is leaning heavily towards centralized color lasers rather than an inkjet in every classroom.
 
Shadowhawk has some good points about cost and volume. If you will be doing a fairly large volume of printing then laser is the way to go.
 
The cost-of-ownership in inkjets is DEFINITELY the cartridges. Cost them as frequent consumables to get the real picture. (Ha! I made a funny!)

Second the recommendation for a camera with AA batteries. Then go get some of the NiMH rechargable AA's (at least two sets) and a matching charger - Eveready make good ones, so do other brands. These batteries last MANY times longer than a set of el cheapo AA's per charge, and will pay you back in battery costs many times over during the life of the camera. Keep one set charging while the other set is in the camera.

Only one warning on the rechargables: Do not let some neanderthal bozo dispose of them when they go flat! It's illegal to just bin them for a start!
 
You generally won't find a 'hardy' color printer for the price point you're looking at.

You shouldn't even consider inkjets for this task; you'll spend fortunes in ink and printheads if you've got patrons printing off webpages and photos, without draconian Librarian oversight. You'll definitely want to go with laser for this.

Figure you could spend $300 on a good color inkjet. Then figure you might spend $60 a month on ink and printheads, or more (more if you use a printer &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&

I bought an HP Photosmart 7450 or whatever that cost $60 on sale.
A new set of print cartridges is $60. ;-)

I've been refilling some cartridges from the recycle bin. But that is a bother and can be messy.

Local pharmacies have Kodak digital print kiosks that let you print pictures from digital cameras 4" X 6" or 10 cm X 15 cm for 29 cents each.
Or most any place that has "one hour photo" can print from digital camera.
Just that the self contained kiosk lets you walk up and print your pictures in a few minutes.

Those machines use thermal dye transfer so the prints are waterproof, unlike most injets. Kodak also makes a home model thermal dye transfer printer that costs 40 cents a print or so. You buy a kit of paper and the thermal dye ribbon with 25 prints for $10 or so.

PC World magazine and others like Cnet.com have reviews of digital cameras and printers and costs of printing.

If the digital camera is loaned out "in the field" you probably want weather resistant model so it doesn't get wet and sand inside as easily.
3X optical zoom is NOT much, seems you always need more zoom.
"Digital zoom" is NOT as good, just stretches out the pixels.
Digital zoom" can be acceptable if camera has high megapixels.
 
I bought the Sony DSC W7. So far pretty pleased with it.

My old camera was a Sony DSC P71 (3 Megapxiel)
When I considered an upgrade. Seriously considered other camera as well.

Sony memory stick is more expensive than other memory card. So that was one of the reason for me to consider moving away from Sony camera. So I considered Cameras using SD cards. As SD is more widely used and more affordable. SD cards can also be used on Palm pilot and mp3 players.

The biggest contender to my decision of Sony W7 was Nikon Coolpix 7600 (7MP). But when I know that it doesn't use AA battery I decided against it.
Cost would be higher to get extra batteries and extra charger. And I would be unable to use normal AA battery as backup.

Going on short trips, I could bring extra fully-charged rechargable AA batteries and normal AA batteries without worrying about bringing a charger. I have encountered numerous situation where I need to get impromptus shots on the road, while my batteries are flat. A cheap Alkaline AA batteries easily solve it.

I was also very tempted byNikon Coolpix S4 6MP Digital Camera with 10x Optical Zoom. and very slim too. Digital zoom is bad. If you think your usage may requires lots of zooming, this would be the best.

I'm aware of Canon's reputation, and used to have Canon film camera and was quite pleased with their usability and optics. Canon's use of SD also attracted me. But my impression is that Sony's Optics was good enough. it's usability is also quite good. I do not know if there is any feature that Canon has that Sony don't.

In the end, Sony's "20th aniversary" goodies sealed my decision.
 

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