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Colloidal Silver

DonOne

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Being of average intelligence, I do sometimes struggle with alot of the information that is posted here:(
I was prompted into doing a search on silver after watching an advert for plasters (band aid's) that contained silver. The search lead me HERE
This site really explained alot for me, in terms that i could understand.
Now the point of this ramble. I also found THIS
How is this allowed to happen?
Like I said average intelligence and all that.
I will get me coat :(:con2:
 
Oh my...what a goldmine..erm silvermine of Woo you've found here.

I googled around and ran into this site:
http://www.silver-colloids.com/Reports/reports.html

Hmmmm. It uses some facts along with a little "technobabble" to lead someone to believe that this silver stuff is ok, as long as you have the right stuff. You might've noticed that this site in run by a company that sells this garbage.

However, had you gone a bit farther on Quackwatch, you might've found this:
http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/PhonyAds/silverad.html

Which is written by a Medical Doctor. If you want silver, buy a ring for your lady(or lord..whatever melts your butter). I guarantee you'll get better results from that in your health than by swallowing it.
 
So, what's the deal with these new Elastoplast Silver things?

Is it pure quackery? It certainly sounds indistinguishable from many woo claims:


Elastoplast SILVERHEALING's unique silver wound pad contains silver ions that are released during the healing process to:
  • Kill over 150 different bacteria, fungi, yeast and harmful germs
  • [kills bacteria and germs? Either one would be great, but both!]
    [*]Reduce the risk of inflammation and and infection
    [*]Enhance wound healing

It goes on:


Silver is a natural antimicrobial ingredient that has been used for years by professionals in the field of wound healing, mainly because of its scientifically proven antimicrobial efficacy. Elastoplast® has now made the benefits of silver available for daily use at home.

The prophylactic application of silver, a non-toxic, effective antimicrobial agent, is useful for the treatment of acute wounds – especially when the risk of infection exists or is suspected. The active ingredient prevents the growth of a broad spectrum of bacteria and fungi. At the same time, silver is a very skin-friendly and highly compatible agent to which – unlike many antibiotics – bacteria rarely build up resistance.


Any truth to any of this, or is it marketing gone mad? And if iit is marketing, why hasn't the ASA had something to say about it?
 
Are they saying the silver actively stops infections developing in the wound or that it ensures the plaster is sterile before it is applied?
 
Here's a pic of Stan Jones

stanjones.jpg

Stan Jones, Montana Libertarian Party candidate
 
richardm, thats the advert that promted my search.

Does all that drivel mean the plasters will stay on the children longer than 10 minutes?


Do not use SILVERHEALINGâ„¢ in case of silver allergy or argyria.

I think I might just keep using the regular plasters for the children.;)
 
Darat said:
Hi Stan - I'm really trying to understand why you are here?

There's a reason Stan looks the way he does. In 1999 he feared the Y2K crisis would result in a world-wide shortage of antibiotics so he decided to self-administer Colloidal Silver.

Now he is permantly blue-gray for life.
 
Rob Lister said:
There's a reason Stan looks the way he does. In 1999 he feared the Y2K crisis would result in a world-wide shortage of antibiotics so he decided to self-administer Colloidal Silver.

Now he is permantly blue-gray for life.

You mean that is his colour and not just a bad photo?! :eek:

Edited to add:

Didn’t he just think of buying a few courses of antibiotics? That seems a more rational approach to a fear about shortages?
 
Darat said:
You mean that is his colour and not just a bad photo?! :eek:

Edited to add:

Didn’t he just think of buying a few courses of antibiotics? That seems a more rational approach to a fear about shortages?

That's his color from now on.

Plus, in the U.S., you can't 'just buy' antibiotics. They must be perscribed by a doctor. I'm sure that's another thing that pisses him off, him being a libertarian and all. :)
 
Rob Lister said:
That's his color from now on.

Plus, in the U.S., you can't 'just buy' antibiotics. They must be perscribed by a doctor. I'm sure that's another thing that pisses him off, him being a libertarian and all. :)

I've just read how he went about making his own colloidal silver solution, quite literally kitchen sink chemistry; he had no idea of what strength his dosage was or anything. The man is a lunatic!

See: http://www.silveredgehealth.com/blueman.htm

(Edited to add.)

I'm sure he could have found a sympathetic Doctor that would have provided the prescription, I know many Doctors who will prescribe antibiotics for people going on expeditions and even just on holidays abroad.
 
Darat said:
I've just read how he went about making his own colloidal silver solution, quite literally kitchen sink chemistry; he had no idea of what strength his dosage was or anything. The man is a lunatic!

See: http://www.silveredgehealth.com/blueman.htm

(Edited to add.)

I'm sure he could have found a sympathetic Doctor that would have provided the prescription, I know many Doctors who will prescribe antibiotics for people going on expeditions and even just on holidays abroad.

He then stated that since he first started noticing the minor skin discoloration a year ago, he began studying colloidal silver usage more carefully, and has learned there are many variables to take into consideration when making colloidal silver.

This is the equivalent of 'shoot first, ask questions later'.
 
DonOne said:
How is this allowed to happen?

It sickens me.

We've known the poisonous effects of silver for centuries. How can someone market a known poison as a helpful drug? How can someone believe such bunk when libraries are loaded with books on the health effects of silver?

It's stuff like this that takes another chunk out of my faith in humanity. :(

I've never heard of quackwatch. I've added it to my bookmarks. Thanks for the link, and welcome to the forum.
 
Re: Re: Colloidal Silver

Bruce said:
It sickens me.

We've known the poisonous effects of silver for centuries. How can someone market a known poison as a helpful drug? How can someone believe such bunk when libraries are loaded with books on the health effects of silver?

It's stuff like this that takes another chunk out of my faith in humanity. :(

I've never heard of quackwatch. I've added it to my bookmarks. Thanks for the link, and welcome to the forum.


>!<
Bruce...Quackwatch is like Snopes for the medical community. A MUST HAVE!! I'm surprised you haven't heard of it!!

You oughta see what's being said on the Homeopathy threads. As a chemist, I'm sure there's a lot there to pique your interest.
 
Re: Re: Re: Colloidal Silver

clarsct said:
>!<
Bruce...Quackwatch is like Snopes for the medical community. A MUST HAVE!! I'm surprised you haven't heard of it!!

You oughta see what's being said on the Homeopathy threads. As a chemist, I'm sure there's a lot there to pique your interest.

I generally avoid the medical community. Bioscience is not my forte, and the corruption within and leeching from that field is enough to keep you up every night. I cite this thread as an example. :(
 
This is a very sad story of a woman who took silver and ended up with argyria.

I got a spam email recently telling me the wonders of colloidal silver and while reading about it on quackwatch, I came across this story.
 
Darat said:
I know many Doctors who will prescribe antibiotics for people going on expeditions and even just on holidays abroad.
Grrr...Irresponsible.



Antibiotic resistance a growing threat, WHO reports



Improper drug use to blame

From staff reports

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Sore throats and ear infections, ailments once easily treatable, may soon become immune to antibiotics, as malaria and tuberculosis have become in some countries, officials of the World Health Organization said Monday.

WHO's annual report on infectious diseases, "Overcoming Antimicrobial Resistance," paints a comprehensive picture of the dwindling effect penicillin and other antibiotics have in fighting once simple bacterial infections.


People throughout the world "may only have a decade or two to make use of many of the medicines presently available to stop infectious diseases," said Dr. David Heymann, executive director of WHO's program on communicable diseases.

Better strategies for drug treatment needed

WHO officials said poorly planned or haphazard use of medicines has caused drugs to lose effectiveness almost as quickly as scientists have been able to discover them.

Antimicrobial resistance is a naturally occurring biological phenomenon -- bugs develop resistance to drugs that don't kill them -- but the process is amplified by misuse and neglect of antimicrobial drugs. Antimicrobial resistance can reduce the power of once life-saving medicines to that of a sugar pill.

"We currently have effective medicines to cure almost every major infectious disease," said Dr. Gro Harlem Brundtland, WHO's director-general. "But we risk losing these valuable drugs and our opportunity to eventually control many infectious diseases because of increasing antimicrobial resistance."

ANTIBIOTICS


In the United States, the situation stems from overuse. Officials of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) have estimated one-third of the 150 million prescriptions written for antibiotics each year are unnecessary, resulting in bacterial strains that become tougher than the antibiotics being used against them.

About 14,000 people are infected and die each year as a result of drug-resistant microbes picked up in U.S. hospitals, WHO reported. Globally, WHO said drug-resistant bacteria account for up to 60 percent of hospital-acquired infections.


The most effective strategy, the report concludes, is to "get the job done right the first time" by killing microbes before they can develop resistance.

To achieve that goal, doctors in poorer countries must encourage patients to finish their medications and doctors in wealthier countries must prescribe antibiotics only when necessary, said WHO officials.
 
richardm said:
So, what's the deal with these new Elastoplast Silver things?

Is it pure quackery? It certainly sounds indistinguishable from many woo claims:

I think this is likely to be useful real medicine.

e.g. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...d&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=15823649&query_hl=1

and has a long history. Flamazine has been famous for a long time as a topical product. The name derives from its use in burns patients.

http://www.dressings.org/Dressings/flamazine.html

Note in that abtract the mention of bacterial resistance to silver, which directly contradicts the woo claims highlighted in the Quackwatch review.

All sorts of odd sounding things are used in wound coverings. Alginate from seaweed is an example.

As ever, woos promote with grand claims and no brains, reputable companies make narrow claims backed by research.

The kinds of companies that have brought that topical silver product to the wound healing market have massively and beneficially changed the way wounds heal. In our grandparent's day wounds were dried and wound powders were frequently applied to dry them, with largely deleterious effects on healng rates. Now we try to keep wounds moist. The downside is that they require a lot more attention and care to ensure the wound environment stays healthy.

I do have a minor quibble about these human products being promoted to vets where the practicalities and biology is different. Our patients are hairy and dirtier than most human patients and that does alter the balance of risks and benefits with these products.

However, unregulated systemic dosing with a poisonous heavy metal is typical woo.

On the other hand, who knows, in some cleverly done, targeted way one could imagine silver being used as a systemic anti-microbial. Oh, I don't know, tag antibodies with it and send it into an infected site or something. But that is not the same as phoning Sigma Chemical and swallowing whatever comes in the mail, which is what those disreputable people and companies are effectively doing.

Thank you Barb for your irrelevant and off-topic post.

Edited to add:

At least I hope it was off-topic. I've suddenly realised that by posting on antibiotic resistance in a thread condemning systemic colloidal silver you may be intending the contrast you create to imply tacit support for systemic colloidal silver. Please confirm you were not doing that.
 
I think she was just taking the opportunity to put the boot into any doctor who would consider supplying antibiotics to a patient prophylactically. You know, she never "bashes allopaths", but it's just coincidental that she jumps in with both fists swinging whenever there's an opportunity to comment on anything that might possibly be represented as medical malpractice.

Although I can imagine circumstances where it would be reasonable to supply a responsible patient with antibiotics prior to travelling to a remote area in anticipation of a specific infection problem arising, I very much doubt that a request for antibiotics "just in case" the millennium bug wiped out civilisation would have met with much sympathy!

Rolfe.
 
Rolfe said:
I think she was just taking the opportunity to put the boot into any doctor who would consider supplying antibiotics to a patient prophylactically. You know, she never "bashes allopaths", but it's just coincidental that she jumps in with both fists swinging whenever there's an opportunity to comment on anything that might possibly be represented as medical malpractice.

Although I can imagine circumstances where it would be reasonable to supply a responsible patient with antibiotics prior to travelling to a remote area in anticipation of a specific infection problem arising, I very much doubt that a request for antibiotics "just in case" the millennium bug wiped out civilisation would have met with much sympathy!

Rolfe.

ah phoo. posting info from the WHO and CDC is hardly "jumping in with both fists swinging". Overuse of antibiotics is a real pet peeve of mine and to see Darat comment that he knows MANY doctors who will give antibiotics for someone just going on vacation and to recommend this practice for this poor fellow who obviously doesn't make good choices (making his own silver) warranted comment IMHO. If it is "derailing" a thread then just ignore it.

No BSM, I do not promote colloidial silver. I know the problems it can cause and anyone who thinks about taking it could easily find the side-effects and risks by doing a simple google search.
 

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