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Cloud formation tutorial.

MRC_Hans

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I really made this for the benefit of Bjarne. I doubt if he will read it, and if he does, he will probably ignore it. However, some others might also find it mildly interesting, so here it is:

The secret life of clouds

There are many different kinds of clouds. Here, we will only look at convection clouds, the family of clouds called Cumulus.

When you see a small white cauliflower-shaped summer cloud drifting across the blue sky, you may not realize that it is only the visible part of a quite complex system, and only the smallest member of a big family of weather systems that ranges across thunderstorms all the way to the mighty tropic hurricanes and typhoons.

However, let us start at the small clouds. All cumulus clouds start by air rising. This can be due to weather fronts, mountains, or simply the sun shining on the ground. But we need to start even before that: We need to start on a warm calm day. Under quiet, stable conditions, the temperature of the air falls with altitude; if we climb a mountain, it will get colder as we get nearer to the top. If the mountain is high enough, the top will be covered with snow, even if there is a tropical climate at its foot.

Since we also know that warm air tends to rise, this situation is rather counterintuitive; one might expect that it would get warmer as we ascended. However, another thing also happens as we ascend: The pressure falls. The pressure of the air is really caused by the weight of the column of air above, so it follows that as we ascend, the column of air above will get shorter, hence the pressure will fall. If we get high enough, the air will be too thin to breathe.

We need to know one more thing: When air expands, it gets colder. A simplistic explanation is that as the amount of heat energy is spread over a bigger volume, the temperature must fall. This normally maintains equilibrium, because if some air starts to rise, it is cooled, and so stops rising.

So, let us go back to the warm, calm day. Now we add sunshine. The sun heats up the ground, and the ground in turn heats up the air right over it. As the air heats up, the heat gradient becomes higher than the normal equilibrium, and the warm air begins to rise.

A convection cell has been born.

As the warm air rises, it pushes aside air around it and above it, as it expands and cools. Since the rising air is lighter than the air it replaces, it excerts a lower pressure at ground level, so air from the sides start moving in to replace it. This air is warmed by the warm ground, and rises. New air comes in, etc. A column of warm air ascends towards the blue summer sky.

In most cases, it stops there. The supply of new air cools the ground, the warm air cools and disperses, and all you may see is a breeze, or a small vortice, a dust devil.

Wait! How did the vortice come into this? Enter Mr. Coriolis: Our summer day may seem calm enough, but actually Earth is rotating. This means that any spot on the surface is rushing eastwards, at low latitudes at a breathtaking speed. A spot on the equator is speeding east at a clip of over 1000km/h. The closer you get to the poles, the smaller the circle, the slower the speed. Normally, the only thing that makes us notice all this is that the sun appears to move across the sky. Everything around us is travelling with us, so we don't feel the speed.

But, if you travel north or south, something does happen. When you travel north on the Northern hemisphere, you are really moving to ground that moves slower. So your higher eastwards momentum will make you veer to the east. Now, if you are walking, running, or driving, even flying an airplane, you won't notice, because the forces keeping you on course are so strong. However, if you are a stream of air, with little friction around you, you will 'feel' it. The air that rushes in to replace our rising convection cell from the South will veer east; the air coming from the North will veer west. Since the air from the other directions will be pushed aside, the whole thing begins to rotate. Due to the law of conservation of angular momentum, the closer the air spirals in, the faster it rotates.

We have a vortice of air spiraling in under the convection cell. Of course, the rotation tends to continue into the upwards motion, so in the center of the cell we have a column of rotating, rising air. Does this give you a mental image of a tornado? Well, a tornado is just the large-scale version of the phenomenon, but our small convection cell can only at best lift some dust, so it is not really visible.

Let us examine the top part of the cell. The rising air bubble expands and as the air expands, it becomes colder. Also, at the edges of the bubble, it mixes with the cooler, surrounding air. If no energy is added, it will run out of momentum and disperse.

Enter water vapor. To understand this, we need to look at bit at the properties of water.

Water has three phases: Solid, AKA ice, liquid, AKA water, and gas, AKA vapor.

Let us begin with ice. If we take one gram of ice, at, say -10 deg C (WARNING: This exercise is metric, including the somewhat obsolete energy unit calorie, because this gives nice round figures) and heat it, we will find that the temperature rises by 1 deg C for each calorie (cal) of heat energy we add. So after adding 10cal, we reach 0 C.

Now something weird happens. We can keep adding heat, but the temperature stays at 0. If we could distribute the heat perfectly in the ice, we would observe that, after adding 80cal, it would suddenly turn into water. As ice is a poor heat conductor, what we will probably see is that the ice gradually melts, but the temperature will stay at 0 till all the ice has melted, which will be the case after adding 80cal. After the ice has melted, the temperature will again rise by 1C for each cal added.

So the phase transition from ice to water consumes 80cal/g.

If we heat further till we reach the boiling point, a similar thing will happen: The temperature will stop at 100C, till all the water has evaporated. Only, this will require a whopping 539 cal! Remember these energies, 80cal plus 539cal.

To transfer water from ice to vapor, we need to invest 619cal/g, enough to make a similar substance red-hot, if it wasn't for the phase transitions.

Back to our convection cell: All air contains some water vapor. The hotter the air, the more water vapor it can contain. If the rising air contains sufficient water vapor, as it rises and cools, it will reach the condensation point. Water vapor is totally transparent and normally invisible. Once moist air cools, however, the vapor condenses to a mist of fine droplets, which is the material clouds are made of. So at a certain altitude, we can suddenly see the rising air bubble, because the air in it becomes filled with mist.

This is the reason most clouds have a distinct base; at that altitude, condensation starts, and the rising column suddenly becomes visible.

However, something else also happens. Remember it took 539cal to evaporate 1g water? Well, when it condenses, all that energy is released in the form of heat! This does not mean that the air heats up again, but it means that it can now rise and expand quite a lot while not getting much colder. Instead, it feeds on the stored heat in the water vapor.

What does this mean? It means that once a cloud forms, the cell can start to fuel itself. It is no longer depending on hot ground, or some other source of rising air. Instead the condensation-powered convection simply sucks fresh moist air in, gets new condensation, and the process goes on. In this mode, the cloud can drift for hundreds of miles with the prevailing wind, while it lives off the land of moist air below it.

What if there is A LOT of moisture in the air? Well, the more moisture, the more fuel to the convection cell, so it may grow, sucking in more air, growing even more. Our small cumulus cloud starts to grow tall and because of its own shadow, it begins to look darker, and more ominous.

It has one more source of energy: As the mist rises high enough, the air expands so much that its temperature falls below the freezing point, and now the water droplets start to freeze. This releases another 80cal/g, and the top of the cloud is now 4-6 kilometers up.

At this point, some of the ice crystals begin to clot and fall back through the cloud, melting to rain, and we have a rain shower. When the ice melts to rain, it steals back 80cal/g, but with 539cal/g of condensation energy, the cloud has plenty of fuel.

One of the best sources of water vapor is a large, warm body of water. So when a thunderstorm that started on a sunny field in Western Africa, late in summer drifts out over a warm Atlantic ocean, it lands in a feast of a virtually unlimited energy supply. If the surface temperature of the ocean is above 33C, a run-away growth starts, and we have a tropical hurricane.

Once it starts, it drifts across the ocean, waxing and vaning dependent of the supply of water vapor, and ending up on the American coast where it can cause disasters. Once it drifts inland, it starts to die, for two reasons: The increased friction over land slows down the inrush of fresh air, and the land air is inevitably drier. Both contribute to starve the hurricane of energy, and it runs out of momentum and dissolves.


Hans
 
I think you overlooked and important part of this process, the absorption of infrared radiation by the cloud itself. I'm not sure if this was a deliberate part of the simplification or not?

"A simplistic explanation is that as the amount of heat energy is spread over a bigger volume, the temperature must fall."

This sentence seems awkward. I'm not sure why,perhaps it's just me.

Just a little, hopefully constructive observations. An interesting explanation none the less.
 
I think its a great start. Something you may consider adding is the importance of stability in the atmosphere and the concept of lapse rate and the lifted index and how that is related to convection and cloud formation and the development of thunderstorms.
For example, the DALR (Dry Adiabatic Lapse Rate) is roughly 5.5 degrees Fahrenheit per 1,000 feet or 9.8 C per 1 km.
If the ground temperature were 100 and the temperature at 10,000 feet was 45 degrees then the atmosphere would be neutral, if it were a little less it would be unstable and ideal for small cumulus production and if it were significantly lower (like a lapse rate of -7) you could expect thunderstorms. The real lapse rate of course is more like 3.6 degrees/1,000 feet (because of humidity) but you get the idea.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lapse_rate
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lifted_index
 
I don't want anyone to bump this old thread (for obvious reasons), but it is interesting to say the least. I'm not sure if I really received a good answer about what causes that type of cloud formation. I'd like to hear what Hans thinks about it.
 
I don't want anyone to bump this old thread (for obvious reasons), but it is interesting to say the least. I'm not sure if I really received a good answer about what causes that type of cloud formation. I'd like to hear what Hans thinks about it.

By cause do you mean "a plane flew through the layer of clouds", or do you mean some more detailed description of the behavior of the water droplets?
 
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I think you overlooked and important part of this process, the absorption of infrared radiation by the cloud itself. I'm not sure if this was a deliberate part of the simplification or not?

It is not in the least an important part of a cumulous process - it's almost irrelevant to the other energy factors.

One note that might be added - thermals on a quiet day will often release in bubbles of hot air.

If the thermal column has a good source well heated by the sun say a parking lot the thermal will stay in place as long as there is sufficient sun.

In many cases tho the "bubble" releases and there is little or no flow from the ground but the process described of expansion and heat/energy conversion goes on regardless that the initial source is cut.

With an inversion layer, this process is stalled and the longer the inversion remains in place the more violent the energies when the thermals finally breakthrough.

So the end of a hot spell can often be the beginning of violent weather.
But its a good description of the energy transforms.

And those fluffy white clouds that look so innocent from below are boiling cauldrons of wind shear and lift and sink when you get up close and personal in a sailplane or light plane.....and a big enough brute even the heavies fly around.

It's wild in a turbulent thermal near cloud base - the energies are phenomenal.

When a big one goes skyward into a cumulonimbus with the anvil top....all mortals beware - Zeus is in foul mood. :D

Supercells can drive upwards to 40,000' and are an expanded version of what was so well described in the OP.

http://ww2010.atmos.uiuc.edu/(Gh)/wwhlpr/supercell.rxml?hret=/guides/mtr/cld/cldtyp/vrt/cb.rxml

As the cloud expands at the thermocline the solar energy to the ground is reduced or cut off....all the sailplanes fall out, the clouds disperse after a bit, the ground warms and away the cycle goes again.

Much fun.....and very chilly at the thermocline which is marked by the cloud base...which is just the visible top of a cell process as a combination of temperature, moisture content and pressure combine to make the cloud form in a visible manifestation.

The same cell process tho can be in place with no visible cloud formation at the top.
 
I think you overlooked and important part of this process, the absorption of infrared radiation by the cloud itself. I'm not sure if this was a deliberate part of the simplification or not?

Rising air cools adiabatically regardless of whether it ever forms a cloud.
 
That would be correct....the cell structure exists regardless of of visible cloud.

Now if someone would invent a head up display that would show those invisible cells much money would flow their way. :D
 
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It is not in the least an important part of a cumulous process - it's almost irrelevant to the other energy factors.

If it was limited to formation yes, but it's an important part of the energy balance when we continue further to precipitation no?. There's a considerable amount of latent heat that doesn't get accounted for. Or am I missing something?

A very informative post on your part. I continue to be impressed by what you know about the climate.
 
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Your missing something...big tstorms work very well at night as do tornados - solar influence on cumulous is limited to the originating state of ground heating.

Even that is unneeded as a steel plant can supply the heat source.

It's a close loop - the heat transforms are
a) very complex
b) all accounted for..

One of the primary aspects is blue holes where cold air drops back.
Severe forms - microbursts can down an airliner on final approach an has.

The wind gust probably started 25,000 feet above Central Avenue about 4:15 p.m. Tuesday, then pushed downward in a strong thunderstorm that was bringing hail and heavy rain to parts of Charlotte.

The gust, called a microburst, intensified when it hit the ground, slamming into trees and power poles at speeds as high as 70 mph.

Read more: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/20...oburst-leaves-major-impact.html#ixzz0x1MkGwFj


This a simple summary of the balancing

Thunderstorms tend to occur on hot, sultry days when the humidity is high. As warmth from the sun heats the earth, air overlying the near earth surface heats up. As it does so, the density of the air decreases and the air rises, taking with it the moisture it contains. This process forms an updraft of warm, moist air which rises into the atmosphere until cooled by the surrounding air to form a cloud – in this case a cumulus cloud. The cloud, of course, is formed from the water vapour that rose with the warm air. The height of the cloud is such that the surrounding air temperature is low enough for ice crystals to form. The cloud will continue to develop as more moist air feeds into it until it reaches a saturation point, where the force of the rising air is no longer sufficient to support the weight of the moisture.

Once the mass of the cumulus cloud has increased past the point where the rising air can’t support the moisture, rain starts to fall. Cooler air starts to descend in order to rebalance the pressure difference caused at ground level by the rising air. This process creates a downdraft which accelerates the rainfall process and the cloud becomes known as a cumulonimbus cloud (having both up- and downdraft activity).

Read more: http://www.brighthub.com/environment/science-environmental/articles/78824.aspx#ixzz0x1NvPFEe

FOr the details - see here

http://eesc.columbia.edu/courses/ees/climate/lectures/atm_phys.html

I don't pretend to understand all the transforms....I just fly the results, or fall out.

That little white cloud is a marker for a very complex set events.

and in the tropics is a marker for a global transport system

The redistribution of energy across the Earth's surface is accomplished primarily through three processes: sensible heat flux, latent heat flux, and surface heat flux into oceans. Sensible heat flux is the process where heat energy is transferred from the Earth's surface to the atmosphere by conduction and convection. This energy is then moved from the tropics to the poles by advection, creating atmospheric circulation. As a result, atmospheric circulation moves warm tropical air to the polar regions and cold air from the poles to the equator. Latent heat flux moves energy globally when solid and liquid water is converted into vapor. This vapor is often moved by atmospheric circulation vertically and horizontally to cooler locations where it is condensed as rain or is deposited as snow releasing the heat energy stored within it. Finally, large quantities of radiation energy are transferred into the Earth's tropical oceans. The energy enters these water bodies at the surface when absorbed radiation is converted into heat energy. The warmed surface water is then transferred downward into the water column by conduction and convection. Horizontal transfer of this heat energy from the equator to the poles is accomplished by ocean currents.

The following equation describes the partitioning of heat energy at the Earth's surface:


Q* = H (Sensible heat) + L (Latent heat) + S (Surface heat flux into soil or water)


The actual amount of net radiation being partitioned into each one of these components is a function of the following factors:

* Presence or absence of water in liquid and solid forms at the surface.
* Specific heat of the surface receiving the net radiation.
* Convective and conductive characteristics of the receiving surface.
* Diffusion characteristics of the surface's overlying atmosphere.

http://www.physicalgeography.net/fundamentals/7j.html
 
OK, that makes sense. The ceiling would just vary in response to the flux of incoming radiation.

No.
Cloudbase is determined by the dewpoint temperature of the rising air parcel.

Convection is a heat engine, doing the work of moving air by using the temperature difference between the warm surface and the cooler upper atmosphere.

Cumulus clouds are warm, relatively speaking, because when they form, the water condensing from the air gives up its heat of vaporization. As the exhaust of the heat engine, they will be radiating IR.
 
OK, that makes sense. The ceiling would just vary in response to the flux of incoming radiation.

You are getting stuck as solar energy as the direct engine - it's not - ground warming, or a volcano or a steel plant triggers a convective cell . The remainder generates out of the nature of the atmosphere and convection as shown in the articles above.

Ceiling as mentioned is not so much an energy issue ( actually it is not at all - only the strength of the convection is ground energy dependent in the initial stage ).
Ceiling is
Cloudbase is determined by the dewpoint temperature of the rising air parcel

If you are observant you will notice ground fog in the morning gradually "lifts" as the sun comes into play and cloudbase will move higher as the dewpoint changes, not as the energy changes.

On one day versus the next the cloudbase in identical solar inputs could be 2,000' or 10,000' depending on the dew point.

Dew....is basically a cloudbase that has grounded :D

Getting a sailplane licence is not an expensive proposition compared to other forms of flying and Canada has very good clubs.....then you'll not only get theory but up close and personal and when stuck too low over Lion Safari and up close and personal thermal is your best buddy.

A reminder tho - this is cumulous - other clouds are very different tho all reflect water vapour or ice crystals becoming visible....it's really a bit of an anthropocentric view.
If we saw into the infrared the atmosphere would be very different.
 
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You are getting stuck as solar energy as the direct engine - it's not - ground warming, or a volcano or a steel plant triggers a convective cell .

No I'm getting stuck on where the radiation absorbed by the cloud goes. It hasn't been accounted for.
 
That would be correct....the cell structure exists regardless of of visible cloud.

Now if someone would invent a head up display that would show those invisible cells much money would flow their way. :D

In the paragliding/hang gliding community, there was once a huge effort to create some sort of thermal detector. The nearest thing we have is a variometer that is just a fancy altimeter that lets us know we are in lift. We like when there are clouds that show us where thermals are but they can certainly exist without cloud formation. Additionally, clouds release additional heat which can be an insignificant factor, or can be substantial enough to be self sustaining as is the case of thunderstorms.
 
No I'm getting stuck on where the radiation absorbed by the cloud goes. It hasn't been accounted for.
we'll watch for your upcoming breakthrough meteorology thesis

Unaccounted for direct solar radiation in Cumulous convection cells.
Or why Thunderstorms shouldn't work at night.
:rolleyes:

Meanwhile
Guess you missed this in your recommended reading
In its condensed phase in the atmosphere, as water droplets which form clouds, water absorbs infrared radiation and, more importantly, reflects it back into space.
http://eesc.columbia.edu/courses/ees/climate/lectures/atm_phys.html

In a "visible to the human eye" daytime cu, any solar radiation picked up will simply slow the cooling at the thermocline in a very minor way.
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Yeah - nearest is the vario...do the hang gliders use audible ones or meter? There is ONE perfectly reliable visual - any raptor.
Seagulls aren't always so good about rising air but never seen a hawk make an error. I was swapping stories with another glider pilot while we were watching Perseids and he swears raptors will depart a thermal if a sailplane makes a dumb error in the climb....judged and found wanting. ;)
Man they are incredible to watch in flight.Funny he chased a hawk around in his 126 attempting his duration flight and I chased a young seagull through the thermals in my duration flight......we both concurred it was the purest sense of "having wings" instead of just flying a mechanical device. 126 are so small and light - a real treat in light lift.
 
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we'll watch for your upcoming breakthrough meteorology thesis

Unaccounted for direct solar radiation in Cumulous convection cells.
Or why Thunderstorms shouldn't work at night.
:rolleyes:

Meanwhile
Guess you missed this in your recommended readinghttp://eesc.columbia.edu/courses/ees/climate/lectures/atm_phys.html

In a "visible to the human eye" daytime cu, any solar radiation picked up will simply slow the cooling at the thermocline in a very minor way.
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Yeah - nearest is the vario...do the hang gliders use audible ones or meter? There is ONE perfectly reliable visual - any raptor.
Seagulls aren't always so good about rising air but never seen a hawk make an error. I was swapping stories with another glider pilot while we were watching Perseids and he swears raptors will depart a thermal if a sailplane makes a dumb error in the climb....judged and found wanting. ;)
Man they are incredible to watch in flight.Funny he chased a hawk around in his 126 attempting his duration flight and I chased a young seagull through the thermals in my duration flight......we both concurred it was the purest sense of "having wings" instead of just flying a mechanical device. 126 are so small and light - a real treat in light lift.

Hang glider pilots use both. At Crestline, I've seen hawks turn toward me when my vario started beeping. They're fun to play with, but they seem to have an invisible barrier around them. You can close to a certain distance -- and that's it. They don't seem to look at you, but you can't close the gap. Try hard enough, and they'll stoop away.
 
No.
Cloudbase is determined by the dewpoint temperature of the rising air parcel.

Actually yes it does. LCL is an approximation based on the initial relative humidity. As the cloud gains sensible heat (my mistake, earlier I said latent) from the incoming radiation the cloud base rises.
 
we'll watch for your upcoming breakthrough meteorology thesis

Unaccounted for direct solar radiation in Cumulous convection cells.
Or why Thunderstorms shouldn't work at night.
:rolleyes:

Meanwhile
Guess you missed this in your recommended readinghttp://eesc.columbia.edu/courses/ees/climate/lectures/atm_phys.html

In a "visible to the human eye" daytime cu, any solar radiation picked up will simply slow the cooling at the thermocline in a very minor way.


No I didn't read that, but I have now. I may have mislead you by stating latent heat when I meant sensible. It's the additional sensible heat from the incoming radiation that wasn't accounted for.
 
Oh spare us - it's of almost no consequence at all other than shifting the dew point a tad.
and how would it ever apply to a clear air convection cell.
Total red herring....:garfield:
 

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