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Cloud computing- Your opinion.

moopet said:
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The odds on every one of your offices around the world getting blown up at the same time are...? The concern I'm expressing is about adding another single point of failure.

To be clear, I don't really have these paranoias, but I think they should be at least mentioned. So I can say "I told you so" if it all goes tits up.
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I am not talking about all your computers getting blown up. Just a vital one. If you have backups it can take several days to restore a computer. I have seen it done.

Many years ago I had to tell my supervisor that, due to a design flaw, we just lost a production file. There were no backups. Lucky it was not critical to our survival. :D

Another time we lost our development mainframe DB2 databases. All of them. The problem was not the data. We could get that back. It was that we had a huge number of them, each with a huge number of tables. The DBAs were working until they dropped for several days getting them back.

My point it that computer failures are a fact of life. You may not like them but they happen. The bigger you are, the harder it is to recover.
 
arthwollipot said:
I've got no idea what cloud computing even is. The company I technically work for seems to think that it's a good idea though.
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It's a bullsh** trendy word for something which has existed for some time, near as I can tell.
 
Ducky said:
bigred said:
It's a bullsh** trendy word for something which has existed for some time, near as I can tell.
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QFT.
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Bollocks

Its not a trendy word

Its an increasingly feasible architecture that long-term industry leaders are actively researching, developing and implementing

www.sun.com/solutions/ Sun Cloud Computing
Faster, More Flexible Programming

Cloud computing isn't just about hardware, it's also a programming revolution. Agile, easy-to-access, lightweight Web protocols—coupled with pervasive, horizontally scaled architecture—can accelerate development cycles and time-to-market with new applications and services. But closed APIs can hamper development flexibility. Cloud computing can usher in a new era of productivity if developers build on platforms designed to be federated rather than centralized.

That's why the Sun Cloud APIs are open for public review and comment.
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six7s said:
Bollocks

Its not a trendy word

Its an increasingly feasible architecture that long-term industry leaders are actively researching, developing and implementing

www.sun.com/solutions/ Sun Cloud Computing
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In the context most (mis)used to me (and I am a unix enigneer working at a company who is very much run on Sun - and we are developing these platforms for our own ecommerce) it most certainly is a trendy word describing something completely different than what you or I know as cloud computing (ETA: The roots of origin for which do certainly trace back to time sharing.)
 
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Ducky said:
In the context most (mis)used to me (and I am a unix enigneer working at a company who is very much run on Sun - and we are developing these platforms for our own ecommerce) it most certainly is a trendy word describing something completely different than what you or I know as cloud computing (ETA: The roots of origin for which do certainly trace back to time sharing.)
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I could be wrong, but I believe his point was that it's not a trendy word, it's a mess of trendy words. :p
 
six7s said:
Bollocks

Its not a trendy word

Its an increasingly feasible architecture that long-term industry leaders are actively researching, developing and implementing

www.sun.com/solutions/ Sun Cloud Computing
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Quite. It's no more a trendy word than sysplex or "workload management" are trendy words.

Of course there will be those who misapply it. I have a hysterical email I saved from work where someone tried to claim his system was pure OO because it showed re-use of data.
 
quixotecoyote said:
I could be wrong, but I believe his point was that it's not a trendy word, it's a mess of trendy words. :p
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Apologies. Today has been a plate full of failure served to me by those who would abuse such set of words. I may be a bit snarky.
 
Oh Joy,

The Economist devotes a whole on-line discussion to this very subject:

This house believes that the cloud can't be entirely trusted.

Do you agree with the motion?

31%
voted yes

69%
voted no
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Linky
 
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Wudang said:
Quite. It's no more a trendy word than sysplex or "workload management" are trendy words.

Of course there will be those who misapply it. I have a hysterical email I saved from work where someone tried to claim his system was pure OO because it showed re-use of data.
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Is that an instance of someone objecting? Have they no class? They shall inherit thy mirth :p
 
bigred said:
:rolleyes: My bad; a trendy PHRASE.

Speaking of BS words and phrases :gag: I esp. love "the emerging ecosystem....." :cool: I'm surprised they didn't throw "synergistic" or "holistic" in there.
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From your use of the term 'trendy', I infer the sort of disdain/contempt that is often reserved for fashion
"Fashion is a form of ugliness so intolerable that we have to alter it every six months."
Oscar Wilde​
However, this ain't merely 'flavour of the month' - it really is a trend; an approach/direction that is becoming increasingly popular - for valid reasons
 
lol @ the Wilde quote (a good one).

Generally speaking, my contempt is for people and/or organizations who do something or spew phrases out because everyone else is (ie trendy), and worse, w/no clue as why it is or isn't a good thing, or even what the hell it is. This is not exactly rare in the IT world, and includes "cloud computing." In fact, if you ask 10 diff IT people for a definition, you'd likely get 10 diff answers, or close to it. And if you take a somewhat broader definition, it's hardly anything new.

That's my annoyance; not the thing itself.
 
bigred said:
In fact, if you ask 10 diff IT people for a definition, you'd likely get 10 diff answers, or close to it.
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The same can be said for most 'issues', e.g. security, persistence, normalisation, ROI... hell - even so-called 'industry standards'

Anyhoo... I get the gist of (and agree with) what your saying; the concept has been widely interpreted in a way that misses the point
 
Vermonter said:
Facebook and Wikipedia for example are using the distributed model to host their content.
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Not in any meaningful sense. Wikipedia's database servers are currently all based in tampa in Florida. Amsterdam and Seoul have smaller sets of text squids. All servers are either owned outright (Florida) or under total foundation control (Amsterdam and Seoul).
 
six7s said:
Gmail is an example of cloud computing

Your emails 'live' on a Google server out there in the mists of teh etherwebs, not on your hard drive (unless you download them, of course)

The cloud symbol has long been a metaphor for the Internet
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Actually, EMAIL in itself is a great example of cloud computing.
 
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