Climagate II?
- Thread starter Johny2x4
- Start date
Very little. Basically, the same people released some of the emails that didn't make the cut the first time (aka, not interesting enough at the time).
It's basically the equivalent of throwing the empty gun at Superman. "Oh, the bullets didn't hurt him but maybe THIS will stop him!"
It's basically the equivalent of throwing the empty gun at Superman. "Oh, the bullets didn't hurt him but maybe THIS will stop him!"
Mike!
Official Ponylandistanian National Treasure. Re
Well think about it. Bullets are just these little bitty pointy things, almost next to nothing. Now an empty gun, that's something that'll hurt you!
Robert Prey
Banned
- Joined
- Sep 8, 2011
- Messages
- 6,705
Yeah, well Facebook is probably a little more reliable that the mainstream news media. Only if you watch Fox would you know about the second Climategate Scandal where released e-mails betray a lefty bias in favor of man-made global warming in pursuit of a Marxist agenda of taxing the productive nations the benefit of lessors.
don't worry about it, they've only admitted that they made the whole thing up and knowingly fed wrong information into their models to make sure they got the figures they wanted. Remember though it was done for our own good and even though there is no proper evidence of man made climate change we better keep paying huge taxes on energy just in case it's true, even though we know it's not
brodski
Tea-Time toad
- Joined
- Mar 19, 2005
- Messages
- 15,516
They did? Would you be able to provide in context quotes which showed them admitting this?
There wasn't even a first one. Some deniers claimed there was, turned out they were full of crap and no-one had actually done anything wrong.
Myron Proudfoot
Master Poster
"Climate Gate II" just shows that the AGW denies are the climate version of Birthers.
Robert Prey
Banned
- Joined
- Sep 8, 2011
- Messages
- 6,705
But your forgot Holocaust deniers, as well, eh?
Sword_Of_Truth
Penultimate Amazing
- Joined
- May 8, 2006
- Messages
- 11,494
I watch FOX (go ahead, take your shots people, fire away). And from what I've seen so far, there's not a lot of meat on those bones. The scientists from whom these emails came from are just a handful of climatologists who feel strongly that AGW is real and a serious problem. Even if this small group were completely off the deep end and had sacrificed every ethical standard for their agenda, it wouldn't detract from the entire body of work that has been done on climate change.
Myself, I have long since graduated from AGW denial to "AGW I don't give a @#$%". AGW is just one of several symptoms of a much larger problem. We as a species have pushed the use of hydrocarbon fuels as far as it can go without causing serious problems. But solving these problems doesn't require government controls or caps and trades. We don't need conservation or improved efficiency. We already have the next big energy technology after coal and oil but we've been procrastinating taking that step for more than 60 years. We have enough uranium and thorium on earth to fuel our thirst for energy for literally millions of years And we could do it all without adding so much as a mole of carbon to the atmosphere. We just need to get off our asses.
Walter Ego
Illuminator
Robert is maxed out on Stundie Award nominations for this month but I've added this gem to my collection of The Collected Wit and Wisdom of Robert Prey.
Alareth
Philosopher
Corsair 115
Penultimate Amazing
- Joined
- Apr 18, 2007
- Messages
- 14,519
Those are still around. There's a thread devoted to the subject of Holocaust denial in this forum right above this very thread as I write this.
Contributors and commentators at WattUpWithThat.Com are picking them apart. Perhaps the funniest posting is Hockey stick falsification – so easy a
The global warming - oops!, nowadays it's "climate change", since the so-called deniers are such loons they don't even believe in climate change, which means no ice ages (/snark) - propagandists are more concerned about perception management, than they are about careful scientific statements, caveats and all. I find their ethics reprehensible - mafia-like, in some instances, minus the physical violence.
If you want to understand tribalistic, ego and career limitations to honest science, I recommend The Trouble with Physics, and Not Even Wrong. Pay careful attention to the discussion of "string theory mafias".
In the case of climate science, there's probably an even more crass partial explanation of these jerks' behavior. One of the emails
Goldman Sachs was looked upon as a potential ally:
Matt Taibbi went into Goldman Sachs’ financial interest in carbon trading (related to climate catastrophism) in The Great American Bubble Machine
For more background, you might also want to read my diary Ugly Scientific Tribalism of CO2 Global Warming Fetishists, and a Beautiful Film on Climate Realist Svensmark
Another complicating factor, at least in the US, is that the debate is highly influenced by ideology. Annoyingly so, I might add, from both sides, though in this case I find the lefties far more annoying, since they toss around terms like "denier" (which rhymes with holocaust denier) and tend not to retract their fallacious, smear-laden framing, no matter how strongly it's pointed out to them. I haven't read the book, but from descriptions of The Deniers: The World Renowned Scientists Who Stood Up Against Global Warming Hysteria, Political Persecution, and Fraud**And those who are too fearful to do so, it seems clear enough that the denier smear is so looney as to be contemptible. It's about as contemptible as a recent smear of the Occupy movement encampments as "rape camps" that I read in a right wing, Tea Party Nation email.