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Citizenship Test

new drkitten said:
I doubt it. Most Americans would have difficult finding Greece on a map. Questions about the detailed structure of the Greek government -- even simple ones whether Greece has a President, a Prime Minister, or both -- would almost certainly be beyond your average American. Similarly, questions about the internal structure of Greece -- even simple ones, like what the name of the administrative districts (states? provinces? territories? counties? parishes?) are -- would be difficult.

I suspect you underestimate the ignorance and provincialism of "most Americans."

I suspect he was being sarcastic. As if we didn't know all about Greece, and the other provinces of Italy. Capital is Milan, of course, and the country was founded by the Romans in 1066 after they were defeated by Ramses the Great in the Trojan War. And the administrative districts are called prefectures, like Hyogo where the ancient Greek city of Kyoto is. I got me some good book larnin' down the schoolhouse!
 
El Greco said:
I got 75% which is humiliating, considering that most Americans would have gotten a greater percentage in a similar test about Greece.
I truly doubt it.
 
El Greco said:
I got 75% which is humiliating, considering that most Americans would have gotten a greater percentage in a similar test about Greece.

Sarcasm aside, I wonder how you would do on the same test about Russia? China? India? South Korea?

I think America is a unique case in that everyone know a lot about it.
 
I made 100%, but I found a few problems: The Emancipation Proclamation didn't actually free any slaves, Abraham Lincoln did NOT free the slaves (he wasn't even alive when it happened), and the Declaration of Independence was adopted on July 2, not July 4.

Some questions that fewer people might get right:

1) How many articles of amendment were originally proposed in the Bill of Rights?

2) How many of these have been ratified into the Constitution?

3) On what date did Congress sign the Declaration of Independence?

4) On what date was the Constitution ratified?

5) What document created the United States of America?

6) Who ORIGINALLY chose the senators?

7) Who placed his signature on a proposed Constitutional amendment which said, "No amendment shall be made to the Constitution which will authorize or give to Congress the power to abolish or interfere, within any State, with the domestic institutions thereof, including that of persons held to labor or service by the laws of said State"?

8) What document freed the slaves?

9) In what year did Congress gain the Constitutional authority to levy an Income Tax?

10) What is the maximum number of years someone could serve as President?
 
shanek said:
What is the maximum number of years someone could serve as President?

Hmm. I'm going to take a stab at this one. An elected president can only serve two terms...but a vice president can finish out the president's term and it wouldn't count. So, if Deathbringer Jim was vice president for a president who died, he could finish out the term. Then next term, Jim is the VP candidate for another president, who also dies. Jim finishes out that term also, but still neither has counted toward his own two terms. Really, there is no year maximum limit, provided the president is only elected twice. If people keep picking Jim for VP then dying in office, Jim can be president indefinitely, minus the time between the president's election and death.

Mind you, after a while, it would be pretty stupid to pick Jim as a running mate.

Am I right?
 
66. Where does freedom of speech come from?
The Declaration of Independence
Emancipation Proclamation
The President
The Bill of Rights

Hmm, I don't see a choice for "It's a natural right protected by the bill of rights."
 
I guess I'm even more of a nitpick, because I found even more problems than Shanek (and I also found a problem with his problems- the Emancipation Proclamation did free some slaves):

-The US did not win its independence from England (I know, it's a pedantic point, but still).
-The colonists were not the first to hold a thanksgiving celebration.
-Both members of the House and the Senate represent their state, so shouldn't both count towards the total number of representatives?
-The two parties are the Democrats and the Republicans, or the Democratic Party and the Republican Party, not the Democratics and the Republicans.
-Americans are not guaranteed the right to vote.
-The basic belief of the Declaration of Independence is not that all men are created equal, but that it is the right of the people to alter or abolish their government.
-The head executive of a city government is not necessarily a mayor.
-Part of the judicial branch is the USSC, but it's not true that -the judicial branch is the USSC.
-There is no minimum voting age.
-The type of government is both Republican and Democratic.
-France was one of our enemies during World War Two.

What was with the question about the UN? What does that have to do with US citizenship?
And what was with Question 18? One of the answers was 181 for a date question. Was that a typo?

Oddly enough, I got all the questions about Iowa correct. I didn't realize I knew so much about the state.
 
Art Vandelay said:

-The US did not win its independence from England (I know, it's a pedantic point, but still).
You didn't? How does that work?
Art Vandelay said:
-France was one of our enemies during World War Two.
Wasn't Vichy-Frace neutral?

Edited to add: I just checked Wikipedia. It seems there were a few military clashes between the Allies and Vichy France. Once because the Brits feared that Madagascar would be used by the Japanese and once because a small number of German aircrafts had been staging from Syria which the Allies then invaded. You also destroyed their navy. It seems there was never any formal state of war between the allies and Vichy-France though, and calling them one of your enemies seem somewhat over-dramatic.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vichy_France
 
As I mentioned, it can be argued that some of the questions and answers are, strictly speaking, not quite right. Some of the reservations that I had about some of the questions have been mentioned.

For example, the 13th Amendment was the legal instrument that abolished involuntary servitude. Technically speaking, the Emancipation Proclamation did not have any legal effect of freeing slaves.

That is not to say that the Emancipation Proclamation was a futile exercise. It was actually a very important document because of its international impact... a document that was intended to help the North pass a "global test," if you will.
 
Brown said:
For example, the 13th Amendment was the legal instrument that abolished involuntary servitude. Technically speaking, the Emancipation Proclamation did not have any legal effect of freeing slaves.

That is not to say that the Emancipation Proclamation was a futile exercise. It was actually a very important document because of its international impact... a document that was intended to help the North pass a "global test," if you will.

And a hypocritical one, at that. Lincoln freed the slaves only in territories he did not have control over--the South. Any slaves in current Union territory (and yes, there were some) were specifically excluded. I think the old saw about it is "where he could, he did not, and where he did, he could not."
 
TragicMonkey said:
And a hypocritical one, at that. Lincoln freed the slaves only in territories he did not have control over--the South. Any slaves in current Union territory (and yes, there were some) were specifically excluded. I think the old saw about it is "where he could, he did not, and where he did, he could not."
And it's a bad old saw.
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You have to understand Lincoln's paradigm for what the war was. It was not a "war between the states" and it was not a war of secession. On the latter point, Lincoln considered secession to be a legal nullity; it literally could not, and did not exist.

Okay, the validity of that last point is something historians and constitutional scholars have been arguing about for 143 years. but the important point is that Lincoln maintained that the Confederacy was an illegitimate highjacking of the legal government of the southern states. Those states were in rebellion against the legal government, but, Lincoln maintained, that did not mean the laws of the United States no longer applied to South Carolina. You might make an analogy with a riot in your city. The mob overpowers the police force, and attacks city hall and tars and feathers the mayor and city council and rides them out of town on a rail.

Nobody would seriously claim that the mob was now the legitimate authority, and that the laws no longer applied.

That was Lincoln's point regarding slavery. As far as Lincoln was concerned, the Constitution remained the law of the land, even in the states that had "seceded", and the fact that the U.S. government was temporarily unable to enforce the law changed none of that. And, unfortunately, at that time, slavery was still protected by the Constitution.

Lincoln did not free the slaves in Union-held territory because the Constitution gave him no power to do so. He freed the slaves in the territories not held by the Union as a measure to pursue the war (don't ask me the legal reasoning behind this, because I'm not clear on it; if Hutch is around, he may be able to add to my understanding). No, he did not free any slaves where the Constitution was being enforced, but he freed them where he hoped and expected it might soon be enforced. Remember, on January 1, 1863, the Confederacy was largely intact; Grant was making inroads in the west, and there was a blockade of southern ports, but Union troops had just suffered a disasterous defeat at Fredericksburg and was soon to suffer another at Chancellorsville. What the Emancipation Proclamation was saying was that slaves in the areas of rebellion would be freed regardless of the Constitution, once order was restored.

And they were, in enormous numbers. As Union troops reestablished control throughout the south, slaves left their plantations by the hundreds of thousands, in such huge numbers that Sherman found them to be a nuisance on his march through Georgia.

The Emancipation Proclamation served another important purpose: It put the Union on the moral high ground on the issue of slavery, and virtually ended the possibility of England and France interceding in the war.
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Originally posted by Kerberos You didn't? How does that work?
We won our independence from the United Kingdom. Saying that the US declared indepence from England is a bit like saying the South secceded from Pennsylvania.

It seems there was never any formal state of war between the allies and Vichy-France though, and calling them one of your enemies seem somewhat over-dramatic.
Seeing as how we invaded them, it seems somewhat accurate.

Brown
For example, the 13th Amendment was the legal instrument that abolished involuntary servitude. Technically speaking, the Emancipation Proclamation did not have any legal effect of freeing slaves.
Why do people keep repeating this urban legend?

TragicMonkey
And a hypocritical one, at that. Lincoln freed the slaves only in territories he did not have control over--the South.
No, the opposite. Lincoln freed the slaves where he had the authority to do so- the South. Lincoln did not free the slaves where he didn't have the authority to do so- the North.
 
Brown said:
Here is a sample citizenship test that you might find interesting. Click the "Could you pass?" link. According to this site, questions similar to those in this quiz are asked during a naturalization interview.

Being somewhat "hindered" by my voucher-less Iowa public school education, I nevertheless scored 100 percent on 100 questions. There was only one question (pertaining to a detail of immigration procedure) to which I was less than 100 percent certain of my answer.

There are some Iowa-based questions on the test, but in my judgment, those questions should be answerable by those who keep up with current events in the USA. For example, Iowa's senators are often in the news (one of them seems to appear on "60 Minutes" quite a bit), and Iowa's governor's name was floated as a potential vice presidential nominee this year.

It can be argued that some of the questions and answers are, strictly speaking, not quite right; but for general purposes of citizenship, they are a good start.

I got 95%.
 
TragicMonkey said:
Hmm. I'm going to take a stab at this one. An elected president can only serve two terms...but a vice president can finish out the president's term and it wouldn't count. So, if Deathbringer Jim was vice president for a president who died, he could finish out the term. Then next term, Jim is the VP candidate for another president, who also dies. Jim finishes out that term also, but still neither has counted toward his own two terms. Really, there is no year maximum limit, provided the president is only elected twice.

Not quite. If a Vice President has served more than two years as President, he can only be elected once, as per the 22nd Amendment. So a VP can serve two years at a max, then be elected twice, for a total of ten years.
 
shanek said:
Not quite. If a Vice President has served more than two years as President, he can only be elected once, as per the 22nd Amendment. So a VP can serve two years at a max, then be elected twice, for a total of ten years.

Rats. There goes my vice presidential career.
 
phildonnia said:
Hmm, I don't see a choice for "It's a natural right protected by the bill of rights."

Yeah, it did a lot of that, pretending that rights came from the Constitution and not from nature.
 
Art Vandelay said:
I guess I'm even more of a nitpick, because I found even more problems than Shanek (and I also found a problem with his problems- the Emancipation Proclamation did free some slaves):

Actually, no it didn't, because it only affected the Confederate states, excluded areas that were under northern control, and had a time limit on it anyway.

-The US did not win its independence from England (I know, it's a pedantic point, but still).[/b][/quote]

Unless you're talking about the England vs. Great Britain pedant point, I don't know what you're talking about. We DID win our independence from Great Britain with the signing of the Paris Peace Treaty.

-The colonists were not the first to hold a thanksgiving celebration.

True, but the myths surrounding thanksgiving you could fill a thread...

-Both members of the House and the Senate represent their state, so shouldn't both count towards the total number of representatives?

No. Senators aren't representatives. The 17th amendment muddied the waters, but representatives represent the people. Senators represent states.

-Americans are not guaranteed the right to vote.

Good one; I totally missed that.

-The basic belief of the Declaration of Independence is not that all men are created equal, but that it is the right of the people to alter or abolish their government.

And that the purpose of government is to secure our natural rights. Another good one.

-Part of the judicial branch is the USSC, but it's not true that -the judicial branch is the USSC.

It's the Supreme Court along with any inferior courts that Congress establishes.

-There is no minimum voting age.

There is a minimum guaranteed voting age, as per the 26th Amendment.

-The type of government is both Republican and Democratic.

No, it isn't. Artice IV Section 4 specifically says it's republican. We are NOT a democracy.

-France was one of our enemies during World War Two.

No, France wasn't. Areas of France that were occupied by the Nazies were, but that's not the same thing.

What was with the question about the UN? What does that have to do with US citizenship?

Ya got me.

And what was with Question 18? One of the answers was 181 for a date question. Was that a typo?

I don't recall that; maybe they randomize the questions and answers?

Oddly enough, I got all the questions about Iowa correct. I didn't realize I knew so much about the state.

Same here.
 
TragicMonkey said:
Rats. There goes my vice presidential career.

Actually, you can be VP for as long as you want. But as President, ten years is all you're ever going to get.
 
shanek said:
Actually, you can be VP for as long as you want. But as President, ten years is all you're ever going to get.

Hee hee. I couldn't be so close to power without getting a bit....stabby. I'm just surprised it doesn't happen more often.
 

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