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Merged Christopher Hitchens (1949-2011)

Oooooo....kayyyyyy. Thanks for the errr........ style instruction :)

No, no. I think you're missing my point entirely (note lack of superfluous second adverb :D). My point is not about talent per se. I absolutely agree that it takes talent and application to be a consistently brilliant journalist or writer, and that in a competitive marketplace the top exponents of their trade are (by-and-large) worth the money they are paid. No: my argument is specifically that one should not equate talent linearly with equivalent admiration or recognition of some sort of social good. Some people are inordinately talented at a certain skill or profession (top magicians, for example), and they are sometimes extremely well-paid for their skill (Seigfried & Roy or David Copperfield might spring to mind). But their undoubted talent and prowess - and their consequent remuneration and public profiles - obviously don't translate into a proportionate amount of admiration (if admiration is defined here in its "social good", "philanthropy" or "benefit of mankind" sense).

Other than that, I assure you we're not far apart in much of our thinking. I am just trying to slightly temper the sometimes-verging-on-hagiographic praise being heaped upon Hitchens. Sad that he's gone, though, and will enjoy reliving his acerbic attacks on deserving targets in print and video.
:) Okay. I agree that we are close in our thinking. Thanks.
 
We have not heard the last of Hitch. I suspect that he has written quite a bit of material that has not been published, Some of them might have been withheld for posthumous publication or because they relate to events that have not occurred. It would not surprise me, for example, if we see an obituary for Billy Graham written by Christopher Hitchens, even though Graham had the "good fortune" of outliving Hitchens. It would not surprise me to see an essay by Hitchens about the end of the Iraq occupation. It would not surprise me to see an essay, perhaps written over a very long period of time, about last-ditch efforts to convert him to some form of creed.
There will be posthumous re-issues of three of Hitch's already-published books: "The Missionary Position: Mother Theresa in Theory and Practice," "No One Left to Lie to: The Triangulations of William Jefferson Clinton," and "The Trial of Henry Kissinger." The re-issues are planned for 10 April, near what would have been Hitch's 63rd birthday (13 April).
 
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We should have a seance on Friday the 13th. Since it's also his birthday, the energies will be strongest. We'll gather in and old bar after hours and bring offerings of blenched scotch whiskies and fine tobacco. If he shows up we'll have a first rate analysis of the afterlife. If he doesn't we'll all get drunk and argue about totalitarianism.

Yeah I miss having him around that much I guess.
 
What's the deal with this? Is it an April Fool's Day thing?

It was likely written before he died, with an editor providing the appropriate fill-in-the-blanks for the sonorous prevarications of the "devout."

Hitch was likely right. And if that's the case, whatever peace could have been made with my father should have been made before he died. Ain't no changing what is.
 
Word. The peace that has not been been made will have to be reflected in the next generation. In my family, at our patriarch's death, most of us realized that our net output was far below the bar set by this man. The most inspiring event in our lives was to realize that we owed our existence to his labor and that we could build upon his legacy by copying his example. That's all I can say.

And I've never heard of the word "blenched" I meant blended, but blenched is a word so autocorrect whatever. What I would have given to study under Christopher! He left behind a literary legacy though, if you follow it, it will be hard to make mistakes.

Or just to quote him

I think what I mainly live for is contemplating the misfortunes of other people. That and vindication. Being proved repeatedly over and over again right when other people are wrong. That does a lot for me.

The second thing I live for is, if not exactly passing on my genes, taking part in activities that might allow those genes to be passed on.

cheers
 
If Hitchens offered nothing else, this would be a great gift in and of itself.

The great fallacy we face in rational thought is the idea that we can "fix it later." I'm young, I've got a shot at fixing it "later." Or worse, "I'm a believer, there's the next life."

The reality is that we are facing our lives today, we're dealing with things now. You learn to function within a society, ethically, morally, justly to prevent the kind of nightmares that some of us face today. Part of good parenting is ensuring your children learn to treat others with respect. You don't get a pass in eternity simply because your bodily functions cease.

Eventually, we're all forgotten, or our influence fades. Mathematics shows us that even our genetic influence will be muted over successive generations, and we'll be forgotten as our genetic makeup fades from humanity. Regardless of how prolifically you breed, your place in the gene pool will be taken by others.

Hitchens will "live" on through his writing, but others will come and take his place. It will become source material for the next generation, perhaps used for research, or misused by those whom Hitchens would consider his enemies. The best we can hope for is to make clear our beliefs and intentions today, and assure others of what we meant before we leave.

If anything can be said, it's that Hitchens made the best use of the time he had while he was here. That's a profound example for anyone.
 
It was likely written before he died, with an editor providing the appropriate fill-in-the-blanks for the sonorous prevarications of the "devout."

Hitch was likely right. And if that's the case, whatever peace could have been made with my father should have been made before he died. Ain't no changing what is.
Actually, I don't think Hitch really wrote any of it, though I might be mistaken. There is at least one grammatical error in there that (I suspect) Hitch would not make, and apart from being pompous, the prose does not quite ring true.
 
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Actually, I don't think Hitch really wrote any of it, though I might be mistaken. There is at least one grammatical error in there that (I suspect) Hitch would not make, and apart from being pompous, the prose does not quite ring true.

Yeah, there's a whole section there which is supposedly in response to something a preacher tweeted after Hitchens' death. It would actually annoy me more if Hitchens had written this and then he told someone to patch up the little bits with reactions people have following his death. I mean, just how self-indulgent could one be? (Yes, yes, I know we're talking about Hitchens, but even he must have thought that would be a bit too contrived.)

The only thing I half-expect to read from Hitchens is some unpublished stuff such as obituaries for Henry Kissinger or Joseph Ratzinger which might have been filed with Slate or Vanity Fair. It's not uncommon for obituaries to come out where the writer has been deceased longer than the subject of the piece.
 
Yeah, there's a whole section there which is supposedly in response to something a preacher tweeted after Hitchens' death. It would actually annoy me more if Hitchens had written this and then he told someone to patch up the little bits with reactions people have following his death. I mean, just how self-indulgent could one be? (Yes, yes, I know we're talking about Hitchens, but even he must have thought that would be a bit too contrived.)
And it is presumptuous in the extreme to purport to channel Hitchens, putting words in his mouth that are not really his. Like this guy:
In my life, I have said that I would not undergo a 'deathbed conversion' to any religious creed. This, my last promise that I could possibly have kept, I kept indeed.

To those who say that I did not keep my word, I say this: A deathbed conversion is of no value whatsoever. Even if such a conversion does occur, what does it prove? It certainly does not prove the validity the faith to which the new adherent swears his brief allegiance, nor does it prove the invalidity of any competing faith to which the dying person chose not to convert. The validity of religious tenets must surely be established by their merits and their effects, not by the number of dying men who suddenly attest to them.

Such a conversion may easily be attributed to fear or a loss of mental acuity, both of which often precede death. Or it may have done as a courtesy to the family, who fear that the departing loved one will be lost in the afterlife, unless words of conversion are uttered. To the dying person, it may be like a perverse Pascal's Wager, except that the payoff is not eternal life but rather is less pointless worry by loved ones.

I suggest that a far more potent conversion is the post-death conversion. A person who has died, and who thereby may have acquired knowledge of use to those still living, may relate that knowledge so that conversion may be made to the correct faith in the proper course. In my life, I was aware of no instances in which post-death knowledge was imparted to the living. The play of Hamlet, in which such knowledge plays a pivotal role, is of course fiction.

Nevertheless, in the event I find that I was wrong, I shall make an effort to correct my error. I shall make a post-death conversion and will try to relate what I have learned. I shall do my best not to be as terrifying as the ghost of Hamlet's father.

But don't stay up late at nights just to wait for me.
The only thing I half-expect to read from Hitchens is some unpublished stuff such as obituaries for Henry Kissinger or Joseph Ratzinger which might have been filed with Slate or Vanity Fair. It's not uncommon for obituaries to come out where the writer has been deceased longer than the subject of the piece.
I agree. I suspect Hitch may have written an obit for Billy Graham, as an antidote for the unwarranted praise that will spew forth after Graham takes his final breath.
We have not heard the last of Hitch. I suspect that he has written quite a bit of material that has not been published, Some of them might have been withheld for posthumous publication or because they relate to events that have not occurred. It would not surprise me, for example, if we see an obituary for Billy Graham written by Christopher Hitchens, even though Graham had the "good fortune" of outliving Hitchens. It would not surprise me to see an essay by Hitchens about the end of the Iraq occupation. It would not surprise me to see an essay, perhaps written over a very long period of time, about last-ditch efforts to convert him to some form of creed.
 
For those in the UK, Hitch 22 is the Kindle Daily Deal today, so it's available for 99p.

(As it happens, I already have it, I bought it on the train on my return from TAM9.:))
 
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Spent a great deal of time reading Hitchens on the Iraq war today. Seems most of our ilk said it was the one thing he got wrong, oh he was right on religion etc but clearly lost the plot over jihad etc... **** it, he was right.

"If the great effort to remake Iraq as a demilitarized federal and secular democracy should fail or be defeated, I shall lose sleep for the rest of my life in reproaching myself for doing too little. But at least I shall have the comfort of not having offered, so far as I can recall, any word or deed that contributed to a defeat."

Seems like, on the day the war ended, he allowed himself to sleep.

Cheers
 
I really miss him :( The feelings are strong when I come across watching a video like this one. Is there any other speaker as witty and intelligent as he was in these religious debates??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kjs9PnaX2ac&feature=related
There will be thousands more men and women of the same integrity of Hitchens because of his work and these videos, of that I have no doubt.

This is someone fighting for our inner freedom and integrity as human beings and succeeding, at least intellectually, in a way no one ever has. "I mean to say it infects us in our most basic integrity. It says: we can't be moral without 'big brother', without a totalitarian permission,..." lines that that stir something animal in us, but in the long term, they are rationally borne out, earning our admiration...
 

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