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The Great Zaganza said:
Are you disputing that US cities have been specifically designed to maximize the utility for cars at the behest of car manufacturers?
It's a historical fact.
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We were talking about cost, not design. There’s a difference, and you keep trying to move the goalpost because you can’t actually defend your ridiculous original claim.
 
Ziggurat said:
We were talking about cost, not design. There’s a difference, and you keep trying to move the goalpost because you can’t actually defend your ridiculous original claim.
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nope.
if the design is to build cities around transportation by car (instead of subway, trams etc.), that is a trillion dollar subsidy to car manufacturers.

it's like the government mandating that all phones need to be Apple compatible.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
Are you disputing that US cities have been specifically designed to maximize the utility for cars at the behest of car manufacturers?
It's a historical fact.
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You said that car companies should have to pay for the roads. That's a very different claim than that "US cities have been specifically designed to maximize the utility for cars at the behest of car manufacturers". In fact, if car companies were the ones paying for the roads, the design would be more likely to favor the utility of cars, not less.
 
Roboramma said:
You said that car companies should have to pay for the roads. That's a very different claim than that "US cities have been specifically designed to maximize the utility for cars at the behest of car manufacturers". In fact, if car companies were the ones paying for the roads, the design would be more likely to favor the utility of cars, not less.
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No, it isn't.
It's a subsidy that comes at huge cost to taxpayers whilst disproportionately benefiting car makers.
If they want for-cars-cities, they should pay for them.
 
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Lplus said:
Evidence of car manufacturers asking for cities to be built for cars?
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Just Google it - US car manufacturers worked together to create a Lobby to push for car focused cities to be designed, and they illegally worked to make public transportation more expensive.
The concept is The Automotive City (look it up), and there are countless scientific studies on how America was tricked into abandoning European style cities that focused on walking and public transportation in favor of cars.

Here is something from the Financial Times.
https://www.ft.com/content/27169841-7ee3-481e-919d-41b247e401f6

This is a well documented fact.

But then, Americans have never faced the fact that the success of their companies is mostly due to massive government support, and not because of competitiveness.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
I am quoting a business magazine, not opining.
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Well, China's OWN data shows that the business magazine is woefully wrong, assuming that it did in fact say that.

Because no one could interpret a 20% youth unemployment, exports down by 7% year on year, and factory gate prices declining consistently for over a year, as examples of an economy going strong. That would be a rather foolish position to take, wouldn't you agree?

That farcical claim just doesn't match up with China's reported numbers, and we know the real numbers are much worse than that, because China ALWAYS lies about their actual numbers. Their own premier admitted such.
 
Here's what I get from a quick bit of investigoogling:
China will be the top contributor to global growth over the next five years, with its share bigger than all Group of Seven countries combined, according to Bloomberg calculations using International Monetary Fund forecasts.​
So it's the Accelerating Yugo theory again.
 
theprestige said:
So it's the Accelerating Yugo theory again.
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Plus it's only a short term forecast for the next 5 years. The coming demographic collapse is going to take a bit longer than that to really play out, but it's inevitable. And it's something TGZ won't address except to point out that it's not the only country facing demographic collapse. Which is true, but doesn't really help China.
 
Lplus said:
Evidence of car manufacturers asking for cities to be built for cars?
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Other way around. People bought autos in large numbers because they were better then Horses, and cities changed into response to that.
Of course that would go against an "Evil Capitlist Are To Blame For Everything" theory.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
No, it isn't.
It's a subsidy that comes at huge cost to taxpayers whilst disproportionately benefiting car makers.
If they want for-cars-cities, they should pay for them.
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You don;t know very much about the history of Urban Development in America I see.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
Just Google it - US car manufacturers worked together to create a Lobby to push for car focused cities to be designed, and they illegally worked to make public transportation more expensive.
The concept is The Automotive City (look it up), and there are countless scientific studies on how America was tricked into abandoning European style cities that focused on walking and public transportation in favor of cars.

Here is something from the Financial Times.
https://www.ft.com/content/27169841-7ee3-481e-919d-41b247e401f6

This is a well documented fact.

But then, Americans have never faced the fact that the success of their companies is mostly due to massive government support, and not because of competitiveness.
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You basically hate private business, don;t you?
 
The Great Zaganza said:
Just Google it - US car manufacturers worked together to create a Lobby to push for car focused cities to be designed, and they illegally worked to make public transportation more expensive.
The concept is The Automotive City (look it up), and there are countless scientific studies on how America was tricked into abandoning European style cities that focused on walking and public transportation in favor of cars.

Here is something from the Financial Times.
https://www.ft.com/content/27169841-7ee3-481e-919d-41b247e401f6

This is a well documented fact.

But then, Americans have never faced the fact that the success of their companies is mostly due to massive government support, and not because of competitiveness.
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Which European city is your favorite, for the values you value?
 
I hate corporate welfare queens - Which is what all big US companies are. You just hate poor people.


Tell me, in a perfect market economy - what is the profit margin of a business?
 
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Ziggurat said:
Then why are you simping for China and HSR?
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yep, everything is binary: I have to love either the US or China.

how can anyone think like this?


for the record (for the 1000ths time). if you LOVE something, you make sure they stop sucking so much - the reason why I am EXTREMELY critical of what the US has become is because it has the potential to fix itself, and my criticism might make others aware to the ways in which the US has given up on pretty much any effort other than giving money to the Rich.

I have no chance to influence China, but I might get people here to stop fearing of criticizing their own country - it's what ACTUAL patriots do.
US exceptionalism is the the weight that drags us under water - we have to learn from other countries, because at this point, all we can learn from our own examples is how not to do it.

I ask again: in a perfect market economy, what is the profit margin of a business?
 
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