Chief Justice Moore refuses to remove 10 commandments

Tony a democracy is more then a matter of mere majority rule, its a matter of core values like freedom of conscience and rule of law. Absolute power cannot be trusted in anyone's hands: not even the majority. That is why the Founding Father set up the Supreme Court and the Constitution, to avoid mob rule. Remove those checks and you no longer have a democracy but a majoritarian tyranny.

A nation where 80 percent of the people can vote the other 20 percent as slaves, a nation where those who don't adhere to a religion can be shot.

Sorry Tony but too many people have died to secure the freedoms of this nation. The Civil War's over, and you lost. Get over it.
 
Tony said:


What, to ensure freedom and individual rights for all?

I dont see anything wrong with that.
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Based upon the content of your posts thus far, it doesn't surprise me that you would advocate such dictatorship as long as you were the one doing the "ensuring".
 
a_unique_person said:
From reading the CNN biography of him, he sounds like a real Frank Burns, (the film version of MASH, not the TV series).
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Although there's a bit of the TV version in there as well...

Originally posted by Tony
Ive already said I could care less about judge moore and the ten commandments. Personally, I think the issue is stupid. My problem is with the perversion of the constitution. Either by the SC or the congress.
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You've already had it explained to you, fifty different ways, in some cases by people who know more than you about the issue, that it isn't a perversion of the constitution. Do you have anything else to say on the topic, or are we just going to go round and round until you win out of sheer endurance?
 
UnrepentantSinner said:

Psst... Tony, it's "I couldn't care less." If you "could care less" then apparently you'd have some vestige of passion for the issue rather than general apathy.
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D'oh.:book:
 
DialecticMaterialist said:
Tony a democracy is more then a matter of mere majority rule, its a matter of core values like freedom of conscience and rule of law. Absolute power cannot be trusted in anyone's hands: not even the majority. That is why the Founding Father set up the Supreme Court and the Constitution, to avoid mob rule. Remove those checks and you no longer have a democracy but a majoritarian tyranny.
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I don’t know where you got this from, but I am advocating nothing of the sort. If any thing, im advocating more checks, especially with the way the SC can "interpret" the constitution.
 
Joshua Korosi said:


Based upon the content of your posts thus far, it doesn't surprise me that you would advocate such dictatorship as long as you were the one doing the "ensuring".
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WTF?

I never advocated dictatorship.
 
DialecticMaterialist said:


Well neither have any of the SC members...doesn't stop you from accusing them....
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Forgive me for not trusting the government.
 
Why don't you? They work for you. But like a lot of employees, you do have to keep an eye on them. That's not a lack of trust, that's just being cognizant of human nature.
 
So Tony, you think the states should be allowed to pass any law they want regardless of its constitutionality? Could Alabama reinstitute slavery? Could they deny women the right to vote? Why are those examples different from allowing a state to trample the rights of citizens to worship as they please.

See, your problem is that anything that is against your beliefs is bad and nobody else has a right to believe and practice as they wish. You are the exact reason the Constitution protects the minority from the tyranny of the majority. You could not be a batter example. Thank you.
 
UnrepentantSinner said:
Did anyone else notice Flip Benham was standing in the background as Judge Moore gave his "I have a monument" speech? Thankfully something's gotten that loon out of Dallas.
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Yup...someone noticed:
Pro-Lifers Find Inspiration in Justice Moore's Arguments

Pro-life activists appear to be taking a cue from "Ten Commandments" judge Roy Moore: "No longer do we hold [the federal courts'] decisions binding upon us, upon our children, or upon our nation," said the Rev. Flip Benham, director of Operation Rescue/Operation Save America.

"The second American Revolution begins!" Benham said in a press release issued after Moore, the chief justice of the Alabama Supreme Court, said he would continue to defy a federal court order telling him to remove a Ten Commandments monument from Alabama's judicial building.

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In his statement, Benham criticized the U.S Supreme Court and other federal courts for trying to "erase the name of Jesus from the hearts of our children, our schools our work places, and the public square."

He said believers in Jesus Christ "will resist them."
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Huh? Jesus' name appears in the ten commandments?
 
Tony:

"It depends on the issue"

This issue, how do you suggest the constitutional question surrounding this issue be resolved. Not your opinion, we know how you want it resolved. I want to know the process you suggest to resolve the issue. Would there be different processes for different types of issues?
 
KelvinG said:


A guy like Moore has no interest in anyone who doesn't think like him exercising their rights. He is a massive hypocrite. You can bet if another public building in their town had a monument called the "Atheists Manifesto" in front of it, he would be one of the first ones screaming that it must be removed.

This is a case where the phrase "holier than thou" has never been more appropriate.
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Once again, it is an issue of christians crying "discrimination" because they can't use public money/land/support and other government agencies to promote their religion.

Poor, oppressed christians, can't use the government to force their religion down everyone's throats.
 
Whats the deal wh the argument that the 10 commandments are the basis of our legal system? You can legally break all but maybe 3 commandments. And those 3 are secular. (kill, steal, lie (somtimes illegal) .
 
Originally posted by me
It's time for the ethics board in Alabama to review the canons of judicial ethics. I do not know what ethical code applies in Alabama, but judical ethics codes typically require a judge to uphold the integrity of the judicial branch and to carry out all judicial duties. A flat refusal to obey properly entered orders is no longer a matter of honest disagreement about the law, but it is a matter of fitness to hold office.
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From the New York Times (registration required):
But it may be Chief Justice Moore who pays the price. On Friday, a judicial inquiry board is scheduled to hear accusations that he violated his oath by ignoring federal court orders. If the board finds that the complaint has merit, it will forward the matter to a judicial court and Chief Justice Moore, who is an elected judge, would be automatically suspended until a decision is reached.
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What's ironic is that the version of the Ten Commandments on Moore's Monument contains this:

Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image

What I find most frightening is that Moore's supporters would apparently be willing to conduct a civil war on religious issues.
 
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