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Cern and String Theory

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The new atom smasher being built on the French/Swiss border (I think) is going to be SEVEN times stronger than Fermilab.

This is perhaps the only chance in near times to have a chance of testing supersymmetry (Which, in my opinion, would be a bigger discovery than life on Mars), which would be a good indication that String Theory is on the right track.

This place would be a great place to work, don't you think? I can even speak French fluently! Be there when science takes a step forward...


Anyway, to give this thread a point:

Do you think this new collider is going to find anything? Is supersymmetry a load of crap? And can someone please explain to me why a particle being heavier would be more difficult to detect (The sparticles are all supposedly very massive)?
 
sorgoth said:
The new atom smasher being built on the French/Swiss border (I think) is going to be SEVEN times stronger than Fermilab.

This is perhaps the only chance in near times to have a chance of testing supersymmetry (Which, in my opinion, would be a bigger discovery than life on Mars), which would be a good indication that String Theory is on the right track.

This place would be a great place to work, don't you think? I can even speak French fluently! Be there when science takes a step forward...


Anyway, to give this thread a point:

Do you think this new collider is going to find anything? Is supersymmetry a load of crap? And can someone please explain to me why a particle being heavier would be more difficult to detect (The sparticles are all supposedly very massive)?
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By some amazing coincidence a very famous physicist once also expressed the opinion "the discovery of supersymmetry would be more significant than the discovery of life on Mars". He did it in order to guarantee the journalist interviewing him would pick up the phrase. So you're in good company with your sentiment.

To partially answer your questions:

1. Yes, LHC will find something (if it reaches the energies and luminosities planned). This is because the Standard Model (incorporating everything we do have direct experimental evidence for) breaks down at energies lower than LHC will attain -and thus something beyond the standard model must be found...

2. The heavier particles are made by pummeling the vacuum with a bunch of concentrated energy, high enough for these particles to be created (probablistically, and with low probability at that) in sufficient quantities to be seen amidst the background of other junk produced. They generally only live for a short time - though until we've seen them we can only get rough estimates for how long they will live...

To physicists the discovery of supersymmetry would be more important than discovering life on Mars. I doubt that for other monkeys it would be...
 
Can someone explain to us all in a sentence or two what makes this new one more powerful? I'm just too lazy to look it up. :) Better technology or new design or just bigger?
 
uneasy said:
Can someone explain to us all in a sentence or two what makes this new one more powerful? I'm just too lazy to look it up. :) Better technology or new design or just bigger?
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more money
 
i can't believe educated-idiots need proof of string theory. it proves itself. "bigger than life on mars".. it's MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH bigger than discovery on Mars.
 
I can't belive you have the arogance to think you understand quantum theory. Now leave this thread alone.
 
geni said:
I can't belive you have the arogance to think you understand quantum theory. Now leave this thread alone.
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haha.. it is truly going to be a good day when the Skeptics are proven to be EDUCATED-IDIOTS.. every comment the word-fools make adds on to the hilarity.
 
Look, you might be able to grasp quantum theory, I don't know you.

However, string theory requires imagining moving in extra dimensions, which, while mathematically understandable, not imaginable.


And thank you Tez, that explains it well.
 
The heavier particles are made by pummeling the vacuum with a bunch of concentrated energy, high enough for these particles to be created (probablistically, and with low probability at that) in sufficient quantities to be seen amidst the background of other junk produced.
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Forgive the ignorant layman question, but how the heck do you "pummel the vacumn"? I thought colliders worked by colliding particles against other particles at high energies.
 
sorgoth said:
Look, you might be able to grasp quantum theory, I don't know you.

However, string theory requires imagining moving in extra dimensions, which, while mathematically understandable, not imaginable.


And thank you Tez, that explains it well.
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are you saying something that can be understood mathematically can't be visualized?! WOW! how do you think the software on your computer came to be? how about the chair you are sitting in; are you saying that it can't be expressed mathematically? HAVE YOU EVEN TRIED TO VISUALIZE IT WHAT YOU SAY CAN'T BE VISUALIZED?
 
sorgoth said:
Look, you might be able to grasp quantum theory, I don't know you.

However, string theory requires imagining moving in extra dimensions, which, while mathematically understandable, not imaginable.


And thank you Tez, that explains it well.
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the most profound mathematical problem in the world is meaningless without visualization.
 
Claiming you can visulise things in 11 dimentions?
 
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the most profound mathematical problem in the world is meaningless without visualization.
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... and exactly the reason why you can't even begin to comprehend ParaNormal.. all you see is a bunch of numbers that equal NOTHING. which is of course exactly what string theory is about. NOW VISUALIZE NOTHING AND YOU WILL SEE THE UTTER PROFUNDITY THAT IS STRING THEORY!
 
geni said:
Claiming you can visulise things in 11 dimentions?
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TEN dimensions. if you even bothered to read anything about string theory you would know that the remaining 6 dimensions are beyond the visualization capacity of the human brain; in fact, StringTheory=ZERO. visualize NOTHING and you visualize all dimensions.
 
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... and exactly the reason why you can't even begin to comprehend ParaNormal.. all you see is a bunch of numbers that equal NOTHING. which is of course exactly what string theory is about. NOW VISUALIZE NOTHING AND YOU WILL SEE THE UTTER PROFUNDITY THAT IS STRING THEORY!
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They don't equal nothing. They equal one dimentional strings vibrating in 11 dimentions (unless they have added a few more since I last looked). And since you keep going on about zero may I introduce you to Planck's constant?
 
Our brains did not evolve to do so. We have 3 dimensional brains, and that's how they work.
Computers and chairs are all made out of the same stuff we evolved with, if a little removed (Computers = thought, and chairs = rocks, stuff to sit on)

And there are many things that are meaningful without visualisation.

For example, I cannot imagine what an atom really looks like at normal size, because I simply cannot imagine anything that small.

It still holds great importance.
 
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TEN dimensions. if you even bothered to read anything about string theory you would know that the remaining 6 dimensions are beyond the visualization capacity of the human brain; in fact, StringTheory=ZERO. visualize NOTHING and you visualize all dimensions.
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only when doing so can you visualize the "11"th dimension, which is actually, as said ZERO, not a dimension at all; it is non-dimension non-changing randomness.
 
geni said:


They don't equal nothing. They equal one dimentional strings vibrating in 11 dimentions (unless they have added a few more since I last looked). And since you keep going on about zero may I introduce you to Planck's constant?
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why do you think planck's constant would apply to the non-physical anymore than gravitational constant? PURE RANDOMNESS HAS NO CONSTANT.
 
But string theory is not true randomness. Also we know panck's constant applies on a quantum scale.
 
sorgoth said:
Our brains did not evolve to do so. We have 3 dimensional brains, and that's how they work.
Computers and chairs are all made out of the same stuff we evolved with, if a little removed (Computers = thought, and chairs = rocks, stuff to sit on)

And there are many things that are meaningful without visualisation.

For example, I cannot imagine what an atom really looks like at normal size, because I simply cannot imagine anything that small.

It still holds great importance.
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you haven't bothered to understand the implications of string theory. your eyes see the atom even if you think they do not. you create your reality; beginning at your eyes and extending outward. YOU ARE THE CENTER OF YOUR UNIVERSE.
 
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