"Cave Arabs Couldnt Do 9-11"
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ponderingturtle
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They might be an ethnic group with in Canada, but like say the Pennsylvania Dutch, could also be considered to be there original ethnic group.
Oliver
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*lol* I drank the rest of the New Year's Eve´s sparkling wine,
but my question was serious...
ktesibios
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Don´t you guys in here also think that this argument
resulted from a schock during 9/11 - an unprocessed
expierience which makes the Arab-Story too bizarr to
believe in it?
This reminds me of something about the JFK assassination CTs. The idea that a charismatic President could be killed- just like that- by a pathetic loser like Oswald seems to be beyond some people's ability to comprehend. We want causes to be commensurate with their effects, so a shadowy conspiracy at the highest levels of government seems more appropriate to the event than the true cause does.
Similarly, a shadowy conspiracy at the highest levels of government as the cause of 9/11 preserves the dramatic unities better than the true cause- a conspiracy among a small group of politico-religious fanatics, most of whom the world had never heard of before.
The thing is, for those few seconds in Dallas the only special skills Oswald needed were those of a marksman, and he had them. For that hour or so in the skies over the USA, the only skills the hijackers needed were the ability to get past a rather lackadaisical security system, muscle their way into control of an airplane, and some rudimentary flying and navigation skills. And it's been well established that they had the intelligence and ability to acquire them.
ConspiRaider
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Exactly!
I'm currently in a pitched battle over the JFK conspiracy on another message board and made a similar point. Not that it does any good for most. But there's always that hope - always - that you might be able to make a bit of sense to just a single reader. One who has not yet taken the CT blood oath.
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The impression I get about the caveman thing is that the truthers are mocking a bit of pre-Afghanistan invasion lore about the Al-Qaeda Fortresses of Solitude that the media started pushing. They think blaming the Arabs is the racist thing.
You also have to consider that allowing for 'arabs in caves' to have carried out 9/11 shoots out of the water the whole NWO hypothesis because no all seeing, all powerful, somewhat supernaturally evil force controlling the world is going to be taken off guard by 'arabs in caves'.
So to prove that 9/11 was indeed carried out as stated in the official account means the NWO/illuminati/reptoid paranoia is dead..... and we're all out of a job.
So to prove that 9/11 was indeed carried out as stated in the official account means the NWO/illuminati/reptoid paranoia is dead..... and we're all out of a job.
defaultdotxbe
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and thats the thing, to debunk 9/11 as an inside for some of these people you have to debunk the NWO/Big Brother/etc, naturally if big brother is watching everything 9/11 cant happen (be it cave arabs, or an organized international terror group) without some kind of inside help
i mean, your not just debunking an opinion on one event, your debunking an entire mindset, you need to debunk an entire life devoted to nothing but bunk, calling you a shill isnt a rebuttal, its a subconscious defense mechanism because the poor guy cant come to terms with the fact that hes wasted his life
Checkmite
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Yes, it's true that the Al Qaeda "cave" reputation comes from the fact that they were forced to retreat into caves while being bombed by the US - post-9/11. But oh well.
I'm waiting for someone next to say that our government obviously intentionally planned to lose Vietnam from day one, because there's no way those pajama-wearing tunnel rats could've beaten us.
Crazy Chainsaw
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They are not even natural caves but ancient mines some with traps built in, the comparison would be saying that NORAD was just a bunch of American Cave men.
The soviets tried and were unsuccessful in flushing them out of them, the British tried to conquer Pakistani tribal region and got there buts handed to them, for basically the same reason.
To say they are even Caves or that some of the most educated people in the Muslim world, were cave men is a Lie in itself.
The soviets tried and were unsuccessful in flushing them out of them, the British tried to conquer Pakistani tribal region and got there buts handed to them, for basically the same reason.
To say they are even Caves or that some of the most educated people in the Muslim world, were cave men is a Lie in itself.
jhunter1163
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Welcome, Henry. You'll find this a lively place.. 
Retrograde
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Yeah, and half of them are below average!
The 9/11 attacks were brilliant in their simplicity: a lot of reconnaisance, a lot of planning, a bit of luck (if the weather was bad, if someone crucial didn't make a flight - just abort the mission and try again later, most likely) - and most importantly, the willingness to kill. So what's the downside if the buildings don't collapse: after the first hit they got just about every camera in New York trained on the towers to broadcast the second one live. That's what I call psy-ops. It's also within the abilities of western-educated, cosmopolitan, multi-lingual people with fierce dedications to their cause.
I never understood this thing about cave dwellers: I think it comes from thriller movies where the Evile (TM) Bad Guy lauches his nefarious attacks from an underground bunker. And as we know, those are all planned to an inch, depend on fantastic improbabilities and leave no room for unexpected contingencies.
Back to caves: I'd like to live in one. Of course, I'd have a generator nearby, so I can get some decent lighting, not to mention running my computers and so forth. And of course I'd have good satellite reception. Cool in summer, mild in winter - what's not to like.
More importantly than that, the willingness to die. The expectations of everyone on the planes were that the hijackers would not put their own lives at risk. Once flight 93 was aware that this wasn't the case they stopped the plane from reaching its target. They were only going to be able to pull this off once (which is possibly why they decided on four targets rather than one). Post 9/11 passengers and crew on airlines are not going to allow a hijacking to succeed. Whatever Al-Qaeda's plans are now, they don't involve hijacking.
Nevertheless, a suicidal terrorist is much harder to stop.
The only consolation is that they can only strike once.
If you read the 9/11 Commission Report, they are not quiet about the education of some of the hijackers, and lack of in others. As i mentioned, most of the Hamburg Cell were well educated. Same goes for the co-ordinators of the attacks. The Muscle Hijackers, however, appear to be mostly of lower level education (still most had high school), and were recruited it seems knowing that they were single, with no attachments (although I believe Omari had a wife and child).
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I had to bump this because I wrote it as a reminder that on another board, a twoofer, upon my pointing out that no Beam Weapon of this magnitude exists, claimed that the Space Beam Weapon was "hidden" in the orbiting space junk. I kid you not...