They did offer me grow-taller-hormones somehow, in grade school, in maybe 1987? Someone sent me home with a pamphlet and everything. Because very short. But somehow despite the social contagion of how awesome it is to be tall and how terrible to be short (besides the typical stuff we had a much maligned four foot five teacher) I was like uhhhh no, no thank you.
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Rolfe
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Might well have saved you from CJD apart from anything else.
Italy's National Bioethics Committee updates guidelines on using puberty blockers to treat gender dysphoria, recommending they are used only after mental health interventions and in the context of clinical trials.
d4m10n
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Jesse Singal discusses his forthcoming book on youth gender medicine in the U.S.
(Scroll to 28 minute mark)
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Oof! Yeah I remember not being particularly put off by the hormones being cadaver-derived, but of course I wouldn't even have thought about prion disease.
Just to mention, this episode of 'The Studies Show' on the Cass review has now been removed from paywall so you can listen for free.
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www.thestudiesshowpod.com
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angrysoba
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Ah yes. I posted the same thing in the transwomen thread. But yes, this is a better place for it and a good starting point.Just to mention, this episode of 'The Studies Show' on the Cass Report has now been removed from paywall so you can listen for free.
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Is this generally a trusted source or is it some RFK/Oprah nonsense? Because everything they are claiming on this podcast goes 100% against what all the skeptic organizations, Skeptics Guide to the Universe, all the atheist orgs and pretty much what all the reason based community youtubes (except reason.com of course) are claimingJust to mention, this episode of 'The Studies Show' on the Cass review has now been removed from paywall so you can listen for free.
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Do you mean on this issue specifically in or general? Because on this issue, most atheist/skeptic organisations and in particular anything associated with Novella and Gorski (including SGU and Science Based Medicine have all gone down the rabbit hole (see thread on the SGU misrepresentation of the Cass Review). There is also a large divide between the US and the UK (and many other countries which are rolling back medical transition for minors). The Studies Show is UK based I believe.
angrysoba
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What are the skeptic organizations claiming?
It should be easy enough to sort out which are the correct claims and which ones are the false ones.
As for whether this is a trusted source, I tend to think so. The hosts are Stuart Ritchie and Tom Chivers who are science writers themselves and take something of a Ben Goldacre-style approach to science (with the exception, it seems of the placebo effect where they are more critical of Goldacre's position). As far as RFK Jr is concerned they are very much against his stances on, well... pretty much everything. I expect they would not appreciate the comparison with Oprah either.
d4m10n
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The role of the skeptic is not to poll the leading skeptic orgs for consensus.
The claims being made by people like Cass (and her critics) are testable, so put them to the test.
The claims being made by people like Cass (and her critics) are testable, so put them to the test.
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Used to be anyway. I invite you to bring this up with Matt Dillahunty, if we run low on fireworks this New Years Eve, that owuld be a perfect substitute
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Reading now! I've never ever ever seen quackometer be anywhere near this balanced...kind of blown away here
d4m10n
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Speaking of balance on skeptic blogs, I find it curious that SBM has barely touched this issue since Cass (final version) dropped.
I think Novella is, rightly, embarrassed.
SBM's go-to guest blogger on this topic appears to have jumped ship. I suspect it is now impossible to cover this topic since they would either have to repeat lies that can very easily shown to be objectively false in comments, or admit that statements Novella and Gorski already made publicly on social media and the SGU podcast are false.
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angrysoba
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Don’t know who that is, but the webpage you linked to is dated Feb 2024 which is before the date that the Cass Report came out.
Well, for proper skeptics, admitting you're wrong shouldn't be a problem.
AJ Eckert is the guest blogger who managed a gender-affirming clinic and wrote the previous SBM pieces on gender-affirming care for minors, attacking critics as transphobic and frequently linking to papers that failed to support the claims made (e.g. a claim that puberty blockers do not affect brain development was supported by a link to a paper discussing the need to conduct long-term studies on whether puberty blockers have negative effects on brain development).
I wasn't suggesting that Eckert's departure from Anchor gender clinic is related to the Cass review but it might be related to SBM going quiet on this topic. I don't know if Eckert is still working in the gender care field at a different clinic since nothing I can find online seems to be updated including the SBM bio.
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