Carl Sagan refuted

If you have nothing constructive to say, why don't you simply NOT say anything.

Well then, he just wouldn't be ... him, would he?

btw, I find it kind of funny that someone would take three paragraphs out of 2 books, misrepresent them, then proclaim the author of those two books "refuted."

Direlect, what is it that you think you've accomplished here?
 
That's what I said, Ryokan. They're pretty much always together, but they're not equivalent in their definition.

Aha. I interpreted your words wrong, and thought you meant that communists states are not neccesarily totalitarian.
 

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