Can this qualify as a challenge?

PeaceCrusader said:
Dear Cuddles and Fellow Forumers,



You are right. I am a Christian, a plain follower of Jesus Christ and non-denominational.

Did you know that in the Bible, it says that God will use us to talk to people? These are in Matthew 10:17-20, Mark 13:9-11, and Luke 12:11-12; 21:12-15. Matthew 10:20 states: “For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.” And Mark 13:11 states: “But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.”

With regards to prophecies, the Bible says in John 16:13, “and he (the Spirit of truth or the Holy Spirit) will show you things to come.” And that is what the spirit tells us. He gives prophecies, like the nineteen that were published in the Sunday magazine supplement of a Manila daily newspaper, the birth of three-eyed babies, the coming chaotic World War III which will start at Spratly Islands west of the Philippines, the loss of ALL jobs in the world, the drought and famine that will be worse than that experienced by Israel during ancient times, etc. He told us what happened in the past like the dates when Jesus was born and was crucified and died. Prophecies are what separates the true God from the false gods. The false gods do not know what will happen in the future.

Why do I believe this woman in the Philippines? I believe that this woman is being used by a spirit who I accepted to be the spirit of Jesus after doubting it for eleven years (1983-1994). I have faith in what the spirit says. The body of the woman is just used by the spirit to talk to the people. Actually, what the spirit endorses and explain are things that are in the Old and New Testaments. You may read in my website what His sermons are, His messages, prophecies, prayers, poems, proverbs. Please, Cuddles, present in this forum which are not in the Holy Bible and I will try my best to explain them.
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Here we go again, the dimwit's proselytizing again. Follow me, I'm the bloody Pied Piper...

Really!

M.
 
Aristeo,

Although I can hardly imagine the informal test you are planning will turn out as you expect it to, I wish you the best of luck in your up-coming visit with Mrs. Alvaran. I sincerely hope you will be honest with yourself and with those on the forum about what actually happens. It will be very interesting to hear about it.

If I may, I'd like to offer a suggestion on how to improve the random number test you propose to do as part of your visit.

Instead of using the numbers you have generated, have a friend you know is trustworthy use random.org to generate exactly as many numbers as you will ask the spirit for. Have your friend do this after you leave, but before you do the test. Have him or her write the generated numbers on a piece of paper, and seal it in an envelop. It would be helpful if your friend were also someone who doesn't believe as you do that the spirit is real. And, of course, after you leave on your trip you shouldn't talk to your friend until after the test when you sit down together to compare what the spirit has said with your friend's list of numbers.

Just to be clear, the the task for the spirit is to provide you with a list of numbers (which you write down to take home to share with your friend). Hopefully, the spirit's list will exactly match what your friend has written on the paper in the envelop. If each of the spirit's numbers matches the corresponding number on your friend's list, the test is 100% correct. Any pair that doesn't match is a miss.

By doing it this way, you won't know what the correct numbers are at the time the test is being done. That makes the test stronger because there is no way you could accidentally give "hints" during the test. If you do this and are honest with yourself, you will certainly learn something important.

My expectation is that you will learn that the spirit won't cooperate fully with tests like this for some reason. (For example the spirit might want to change the test in some way.) I also expect you'll learn that most people on this thread, me included, will take that as good evidence the spirit is not real. Whether you'll share that conclusion, I don't know.

In any case, I hope I'm wrong and that you'll be able to do the test exactly as outlined and get a definite result. Best of luck.
 
PeaceCrusader said:
Dear Dan O and Fellow Forumers,



I would like to inform you that I have already paid my air fare. In two weeks, I will depart for the Philippines. As I mentioned before, this ten-day stay in the Philippines will be more like of a business trip than a vacation where I will explain to the woman the protocol of the Challenge and talk to the spirit.

I can talk to Him directly if I am in the Philippines, just like the other listeners present during the sessions. But when I am in Australia just like now, I cannot do that. However, He makes His presence known to me by the "knocking" of the geckoes or house lizards at home and at work. That is the signal that He told us of His presence that will assure us that He is watching over us and He is not far away.

I would like to take the test myself but it is not my body that is appropriated by the spirit; it is that of the woman's. I think there is a logical reason for this. One will know straight away that the woman is not impersonating or posing as somebody else by the tone of the voice--a male voice versus a woman's voice. And it is not in one's head but every body in the session hears Him and can record on tape the session.

According to the spirit, He had designated two women who would help Him in the salvation of mankind. The first is the Blessed Virgin Mary who was taken up to Heaven after she died and the second is this woman whose spirit first resided in a princess in Egypt some two thousand years ago. When that woman named Reneliniyindi died, the spirit was reincarnated to another body. The body of the woman in the Philippines is the 177th body where that spirit resided. Joan of Arc was one of those bodies.

So sorry, Dan O, much that I like to be the medium, I cannot because I am not designated. That is not my role.

Best regards,
Aristeo Canlas Fernando, Peace Crusader and Echo
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PC, I am genuine when I say this. After reading this post I am sure you are being duped by this "New Age" gobblygook tied in with Christianity. The talk of spirits of Egyptian Princesses and Joan of Arc etc. I know your blind faith will prevent you from doing this but please reconsider this trip. Does this lady in the Phillipines requires you to pay her any money?
I know most people here would wish what I want, not because we are afraid you are right but because we think you are being duped.
Please reconsider.
 
I haven't been to the forum here for awhile but found myself entertained by this thread.
This reminds me of the 419 Eaters Website.
The way PC writes and the things he says is very familiar to what the notorious Nigerian scammers write.

I think the only real difference here is that the scammers goal is money, which is tangible, and with this person, the goal is spreading the word of his god, which is completely intangible.

I also have a feeling that PC is yanking all of our chains. I wouldn't be suprised if in a couple weeks he doesn't type up a "gotcha" post then disappear altogether.
 
PeaceCrusader said:
According to the spirit, He had designated two women who would help Him in the salvation of mankind. The first is the Blessed Virgin Mary who was taken up to Heaven after she died and the second is this woman whose spirit first resided in a princess in Egypt some two thousand years ago. When that woman named Reneliniyindi died, the spirit was reincarnated to another body. The body of the woman in the Philippines is the 177th body where that spirit resided. Joan of Arc was one of those bodies.
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PC, I like you. So I want you to please consider what you have just written above. You told us that you hear the voice of the spirit only from this woman. That means that THIS WOMAN told you that Jesus had designated two women to help him and that THIS WOMAN was one of them. The only proof you have of the fact that this is true is that the person who said it is not lying and that could only be if this is true. It makes no sense.

If I were to come up to you and tell you Jesus had designated me to relieve you of your wallet, would you hand over all of your money?

I have studied the bible - my own and yours. Nowhere in it is there any talk of Jesus designating two women to help him. The only place this is found is coming from the woman who claims that she is one of these women.

By the way, you said the spirit resided in a princess about 2,000 years ago and this old woman is the 177th reincarnation. Giving each individual a paltry twenty year life span (far less than this woman has lived), 177 incarnations would take 3,540 years. This old woman told you a lie and she didn't even bother to get the math right.

Aside from that, there is nothing in the bible about reincarnation. It is never mentioned. It is never even hinted at. The concept of reincarnation is not a christian one. Here's what one website says:

Reincarnation represents a threat to the very essence of Christianity: the need for Christ’s redemptive sacrifice for our sins. If we are to pay for the consequences of our sins ourselves in further lives and attain salvation through our own efforts, the sacrifice of Christ becomes useless and absurd.

And this website reminds us that Hebrews 9:27 says that "it is appointed for men to die once, and after this comes judgment."

I urge you to talk to your local priest regarding this woman, her claims of reincarnation and whether you, as a christian, really should accept her word.
 
Dear Wombatwal and Fellow Forumers,

wombatwal said:
PC, I am genuine when I say this. After reading this post I am sure you are being duped by this "New Age" gobblygook tied in with Christianity. The talk of spirits of Egyptian Princesses and Joan of Arc etc. I know your blind faith will prevent you from doing this but please reconsider this trip. Does this lady in the Phillipines requires you to pay her any money?
I know most people here would wish what I want, not because we are afraid you are right but because we think you are being duped.
Please reconsider.
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Thank you, all, for your concern. I think I am still sane. AFAIK, I have never visited any psychiatrist in my life for I do not feel to have any mental illness.

Mrs. Alvaran does not require anyone to pay her any money. It is all voluntary. One may or not give any money or anything. In fact, had she charged the numerous people who had just come to her to be healed of their ailments, she would have been very rich by now. She started this faith healing way back in 1957 when the spirit first appropriated her. It is the spirit who healed them through her, like the government media journalist who wrote about her in 1980 (It was this article that I found in 1982 that prompted me to investigate her case.) and who was healed of his terminal lung ailment in 1974.

Best regards,
Aristeo Canlas Fernando, Peace Crusader and Echo
 
Buzzcat said:
...I also have a feeling that PC is yanking all of our chains. I wouldn't be suprised if in a couple weeks he doesn't type up a "gotcha" post then disappear altogether.
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Buzzcat, I fear you may be right. Certainly there are similarities in his writing to that of scammers, including the Nigerians. You are right to point this out. PC really could be up to no good. On the other hand, this thread has been going on for a while and during that time it has moved in a consistent, fairly reasonable direction, unlike some that simply go around and around on the same untestable drivel or others that go everywhere (and nowhere) all at once. And besides, he says he's going to try an informal test in a few weeks.

Even if all that happens is that he rips us off for our time and gets to gloat about it before slinking off into the darkness, I for one will have learned something and been entertained. But he hasn't yet, so I'm still willing to treat him as an honest (though misguided) player.

In any case we will see what we will see and it should be instructive.
 
Dear Buzzcat and Fellow Forumers,

Buzzcat said:
I haven't been to the forum here for awhile but found myself entertained by this thread.
This reminds me of the 419 Eaters Website.
The way PC writes and the things he says is very familiar to what the notorious Nigerian scammers write.

I think the only real difference here is that the scammers goal is money, which is tangible, and with this person, the goal is spreading the word of his god, which is completely intangible.

I also have a feeling that PC is yanking all of our chains. I wouldn't be suprised if in a couple weeks he doesn't type up a "gotcha" post then disappear altogether.
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I am not an entertainer, like an actor, comedian, singer, etc. I am just plain honest to tell you my true experiences. I do not even force you to believe in what I believe. You are responsible for your own soul and not me, i.e. if you believe you have one.

I will not disappear after I get back from the Philippines. I will inform you of the outcome of my trip. You will also know more about me for I have things that I have to do to put peace and order in this world before I finally exit from it. You may read this vision in my website, though I have not uploaded yet its details.

Best regards,
Aristeo Canlas Fernando, Peace Crusader and Echo
 
Dear Loss Leader and Fellow Forumers,

Loss Leader said:
PC, I like you. So I want you to please consider what you have just written above. You told us that you hear the voice of the spirit only from this woman. That means that THIS WOMAN told you that Jesus had designated two women to help him and that THIS WOMAN was one of them. The only proof you have of the fact that this is true is that the person who said it is not lying and that could only be if this is true. It makes no sense.

If I were to come up to you and tell you Jesus had designated me to relieve you of your wallet, would you hand over all of your money?

I have studied the bible - my own and yours. Nowhere in it is there any talk of Jesus designating two women to help him. The only place this is found is coming from the woman who claims that she is one of these women.

By the way, you said the spirit resided in a princess about 2,000 years ago and this old woman is the 177th reincarnation. Giving each individual a paltry twenty year life span (far less than this woman has lived), 177 incarnations would take 3,540 years. This old woman told you a lie and she didn't even bother to get the math right.

Aside from that, there is nothing in the bible about reincarnation. It is never mentioned. It is never even hinted at. The concept of reincarnation is not a christian one. Here's what one website says:

Reincarnation represents a threat to the very essence of Christianity: the need for Christ’s redemptive sacrifice for our sins. If we are to pay for the consequences of our sins ourselves in further lives and attain salvation through our own efforts, the sacrifice of Christ becomes useless and absurd.

And this website reminds us that Hebrews 9:27 says that "it is appointed for men to die once, and after this comes judgment."

I urge you to talk to your local priest regarding this woman, her claims of reincarnation and whether you, as a christian, really should accept her word.
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Thank you, Loss Leader, for liking me, and your concern for me.

I do not think that I am duped. In fact, I find in the revelations of the spirit some misconceptions about my Christian faith. For example, no one has ever had the same interpretation of Matthew 24:40-41 and Luke 17:34-36 as that of the spirit. This is Luke 17:34-36 (Holy Bible, King James Version): "I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left. Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left."

It is not two groups of men and two groups of women. It just says two men and two women. Did you know who these two men are? According to the spirit, the one taken up is Jesus Christ. The one left behind is the Holy Spirit. This Holy Spirit is the one who we are talking to now. Did you know who these two women are? The one taken up is the Blessed Virgin Mary. The one left behind is this spirit that is residing at present in the body of Mrs. Alvaran. So when the Blessed Virgin Mary ascended to Heaven, the spirit which was in Heaven came down and first resided in a princess named Reneliniyindi in Egypt some two thousand years ago. Are these simple explanations logical? I find them so.

Is the math wrong? Please divide 2000 years by 177 incarnations. What do you get as the average life span of each incarnation? Did you get 11.3 years? It appears that in many of the incarnations, the body did not live long. The woman in the Philippines is now about 70 years old. So she is one who has lived long. How long did Joan of Arc live?

With regards to reincarnation, is there anything impossible with God? In Matthew 24:34-35, it states: "Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away." "This generation". How long is a generation? Have all that Jesus prophesied been fulfilled? Not yet. And yet, that generation during Jesus' time have all died and maybe, now, there is not even any remains to be found. Their bodies may have been pulverized. So, would you call Jesus a liar? Did you know that the spirit of those people are being reincarnated? And they will be witnesses of all that Jesus prophesied until the end of time, until Judgment Day. Although there is reincarnation, to most of us, according to the spirit, this will be our last incarnation. The next time that we will be brought back to life is on Judgment Day to receive our sentence. Since we know that this will be our last incarnation, then we have to change our wrong beliefs, our wrong and evil ways, for we will not pass this way again. We cannot repent when we have already died.

This is why I believe in that spirit, and that spirit is that of Jesus Christ. I doubted that spirit before from 1983 to 1994 until I found events in my life that would not have happened had it not been effected by God. And since that spirit is Jesus', I firmly believe that nothing, even in sealed boxes, is hidden from Him. That is why I say that naming all the contents of the boxes means success and anything one wrong is failure. That is how strong my faith is in this spirit.

Best regards,
Aristeo Canlas Fernando, Peace Crusader and Echo
 
PeaceCrusader said:
So when the Blessed Virgin Mary ascended to Heaven, the spirit which was in Heaven came down and first resided in a princess named Reneliniyindi in Egypt some two thousand years ago. Are these simple explanations logical? I find them so.
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They are not logical, PC, and you did absolutely no fact-checking before accepting them.

This "Reneliniyindi" is not even an Egyptian name.

Do you understand that? The sounds that go into that are not Egyptian. They have no correlation to any sounds that make up Egyptian names.

Almost all Egyptian names are stings of small words that mean something. Amenhotep means "Peace of the god Amen." Imhotep means "He comes in peace." Nefartiti means "Most beautiful in Egypt." And families passed names down from generation to generation.

The sylables you presented, "Reneliniyindi," mean nothing. They corespond to nothing. They are not an Egyptian name. In a noble family when you would expect to find ten generations recycling one name over and over, there is no record of any Egyptian princess with anything like this name.

See for yourself: Here and here.

This lady lied to you. Christians do not believe in reincarnation. 177 Reincarnations makes no mathematical sense. This name she gave you is gibberish.

The Second Commandment is "You shall have no other gods before me." You have put your faith in a liar, a fraud and a false prophet and you are violating the Second Commandment.

Return to Christ and ask for forgiveness. He welcomes all who humbly come to him.
 
That is why I say that naming all the contents of the boxes means success and anything one wrong is failure. That is how strong my faith is in this spirit.
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I bet that your faith is so strong that you will still believe no matter the results of the test, or even weither or not a test takes place. And my money is on no test taking place.

According to your story, it took you 11 years to make up your mind. I have a very hard time believing you'd be willing to reconsider your decision based on any test at all.
 
PeaceCrusader;2432891 [COLOR=black said:
Is the math wrong? Please divide 2000 years by 177 incarnations. What do you get as the average life span of each incarnation? Did you get 11.3 years? It appears that in many of the incarnations, the body did not live long. The woman in the Philippines is now about 70 years old. So she is one who has lived long. How long did Joan of Arc live? [/COLOR]

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IIRC, Jeanne d'arc was martyred at the age of 19. So much for the average lifespan of 11.3 years...
 
Buzzcat said:
I also have a feeling that PC is yanking all of our chains. I wouldn't be surprised if in a couple weeks he doesn't type up a "gotcha" post then disappear altogether.
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You haven't done your homework. As far as I know, PC has been posting the same spiel for almost 8 years. [Some of the early posts were quite entertaining such as asking in one forum what the number of Jesus is then later posting how he had discovered the number of Jesus.]
PC: "Could anyone out there provide the number of Jesus? Please explain how the number is derived."
He currently has a harem of probably 50-100 forums where he posts the same drivel and it hasn't changed much in his 8 year history.

I can usually cut through the troll identity shifts but this one has me stumped. The trail is ice cold before mid 1999.
 
Davide said:
If I may, I'd like to offer a suggestion on how to improve the random number test you propose to do as part of your visit.
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I already posted 1 page back how we could generate a target set of random numbers that anyone interested would be able to verify and nobody would be able to cheat. If there is interest I can expand on the brief post with the needed details.
 

Another example of not understanding history...LL's wonderful debunking of the obviously non-egyptian name of the princess aside, It is believed that the blessed virgin died (or ascended, depending on the myth) between 3-5CE.
The Egyptians had were no longer pharonic, but ptolemeic as early as 340BCE, so by that timeline, one would think an eqyptian noble would have a greek influenced name, not the psuedo-M.A.R.-Barkeresque-made-up-but-vaugely-indian-sounding name. Sorry PC, but I've played RPG's with better thought out mythologies behing them...
 
Ravenwood said:
Another example of not understanding history...LL's wonderful debunking of the obviously non-egyptian name of the princess aside, It is believed that the blessed virgin died (or ascended, depending on the myth) between 3-5CE.
The Egyptians had were no longer pharonic, but ptolemeic as early as 340BCE, so by that timeline, one would think an eqyptian noble would have a greek influenced name, not the psuedo-M.A.R.-Barkeresque-made-up-but-vaugely-indian-sounding name. Sorry PC, but I've played RPG's with better thought out mythologies behing them...
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My thinking was that the Greek and Roman rulers in Egypt never really assimilated into the population. So Cleopatra was considered a Roman even though her family had been in Egypt for 400 years. Since PC called her an Egyptian princess, I assumed he meant that she was a noblewoman of Egyptian heritage and birth. Although, I honestly have no idea if any of those were left by the BC/AD mark.

But, of course, "Renelindiyindi" is less Greek or Roman than it is Egyptian so your point is well taken.

Still, this is a guy who thinks "Gotacural" and "AIDS" are the same word so I don't see this debunk coming to anything.
 
Dan O. said:
You haven't done your homework. As far as I know, PC has been posting the same spiel for almost 8 years. [Some of the early posts were quite entertaining such as asking in one forum what the number of Jesus is then later posting how he had discovered the number of Jesus.]
PC: "Could anyone out there provide the number of Jesus? Please explain how the number is derived."
He currently has a harem of probably 50-100 forums where he posts the same drivel and it hasn't changed much in his 8 year history.

I can usually cut through the troll identity shifts but this one has me stumped. The trail is ice cold before mid 1999.
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Good work, Dan. Maybe he was conked on the head in 1999. It's plausible. He wouldn't be the first to experience strange ideation after such an event.

M.
 
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