Can Soul, Ghosts Exist?

[The Mighty Thor]

Has Ian ever explained what we should do if we believe his worldview is correct. How should we change our behaviour?

He is like a prophet crying in the wilderness "the soul exists, the material world is an illusion!" then failing to explain what this should mean for humankind?

What is your "message", Ian?

 

[TLN]

Has Ian ever explained what we should do if we believe his worldview is correct. How should we change our behaviour?

He is like a prophet crying in the wilderness "the soul exists, the material world is an illusion!" then failing to explain what this should mean for humankind?

What is your "message", Ian?

Oh, for the love of crumbcake!

 

[rppa]

Black is how our brains interpret the absence of light.

Yes, But I don't know

But you should know. You were just told.

- what are actual reflections or emissions from black colour?

"Black" is the absence of light. It doesn't have an "actual emission", it's the name your brain gives a place that doesn't have emissions.

Black colour is said to absorb all WLs-- This colour is not considered as blank space(you know about previous discussions)

Black is the absence of light.

so absorption of all WLs should be there to declare something black.

Or there should be an absence of light, such as in a dark cave.

How we see red colour light coming through our hand when we block/cover any light from our hand?

If there is no light present, then your hand, like everything else, will be black. It will not be visible to you.

If you see color on your hand, then obviously you are not blocking all light from reaching your hand and reflecting from it. You can tell this because the rest of the room is something other than pitch black.

Why it is not black as you see with other blocking of light?

Because there is light present.

Btw, what is so thought/commonly defined colour of soul & ghosts (good or bad)

There is none, since they are not commonly thought to exist.

 

[The Mighty Thor]

Oh, for the love of crumbcake!

THAT is his message?

I believe.

 

[rppa]

("Oh for the love of Crumbcake").

THAT is his message?

I believe.

Is that regular Crumbcake or raspberry? I don't know if I could believe if it's just regular, but for raspberry I'd be willing to join the cult.

 

[TLN]

THAT is his message?

I believe.

No, I was merely expressing my aggravation that someone actually asked Ian to articulate his world view.

Who. F#cking. Cares?!

Please don't pull out a soap box for this obvious troll and invite him to stand on it and bore us all to tears with his insane pseudo-philosophical ramblings. It makes me want to end it all.

 

[Kumar]

rppa,

Yes, black is absense of light to our eyes/brain. We have two types of blacks here. One absense of light & other a black object absorb all lights & don't reflect anything. Both are absense of reflected light for eyes/brain. But is there any differance in these two types? I think the differance is in their tempreture. Shadows/dark is cool whereas black object is hot....alike dead & live.

Anyway, What can we think about relation of soul/ghost concept with death in light AND death in dark/no light/faint light? These can be thought; death in dark may mean no or least emissions & relections of WLs AND death under light/day will mean much emissions & reflections. Why it happens--light brightens at the end of a burning candle/oil lamp??

 

[Zep]

We have two types of blacks here.

Really? My, you must be the luckiest people on Earth! Most places elsewhere only have one type of black. The black kind of black. That is black. You know, like, without any light? THAT kind of black.

 

[Kumar]

Really? My, you must be the luckiest people on Earth! Most places elsewhere only have one type of black. The black kind of black. That is black. You know, like, without any light? THAT kind of black.

Most people may not be dynamic but just like repetitions. I am trying to understand 'death in light & death in dark'. Probably, it may be related to soul & ghost respectively.

You know modernization can create imbalances--probably imbalances in soul : ghost's proportion also. In modern times, most people die under lighted conditions at hospitals, homes etc., but in older times people were dying in both lighted & dark conditions, proportionately. Soul is said to be required for birth or re-birth--whereas ghosts may not. Accordingly, this may be a reason of increase in human population & decreasing ghost's population due to improvement & over-exposure of lighting in modern times---probably.

 

[ahoneycutt]

Most people may not be dynamic but just like repetitions. I am trying to understand 'death in light & death in dark'. Probably, it may be related to soul & ghost respectively.

Death is the same if it's a sunny day or you're in an abyss. The same thing will happen. There is no proof that you're body emits any strange "soul radiation". You do not go from being a living, breathing, body of flesh and bone to a floating plasmic otherworldy being.

You know modernization can create imbalances--probably imbalances in soul : ghost's proportion also.

Do you mean that we are seeing bigger and bigger ghosts? Or maybe they get smaller and smaller?

In modern times, most people die under lighted conditions at hospitals, homes etc., but in older times people were dying in both lighted & dark conditions, proportionately. Soul is said to be required for birth or re-birth--whereas ghosts may not. Accordingly, this may be a reason of increase in human population & decreasing ghost's population due to improvement & over-exposure of lighting in modern times---probably.

I just really don't understand your logic here. Are you saying that we have more soul as a world population because we have more light? I don't think more people are die while in the presence of any light now more than they ever have. We've always existed in the presence of the sun, stars, and moon.

And the only way to have more population is by more soul? Not because we eat food, and procreate using the energy from that food? Is this what you're saying, or did I miss your point completely, Kumar?

 

[Kumar]

Death is the same if it's a sunny day or you're in an abyss. The same thing will happen. There is no proof that you're body emits any strange "soul radiation". You do not go from being a living, breathing, body of flesh and bone to a floating plasmic otherworldy being.

But emission/reflected spectrum from the body at the time of death can be differant in lighted condition & in dark.

Why light become brighter at the last movement of burning candle/oil lamp?

Do you mean that we are seeing bigger and bigger ghosts? Or maybe they get smaller and smaller?

May be lesser in numbers than soul.



I just really don't understand your logic here. Are you saying that we have more soul as a world population because we have more light? I don't think more people are die while in the presence of any light now more than they ever have. We've always existed in the presence of the sun, stars, and moon.

But artificial lightings were less in older times than today's time. More emissions/reflections are there in lighted condition.

And the only way to have more population is by more soul? Not because we eat food, and procreate using the energy from that food? Is this what you're saying, or did I miss your point completely, Kumar?

If we agree on that soul is necessary & it has to enter a body for life then more the souls more can be the population.

 

[ahoneycutt]

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Why light become brighter at the last movement of burning candle/oil lamp?
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I can't find any references for this...any help?

If we agree on that soul is necessary & it has to enter a body for life then more the souls more can be the population.

And if we don't agree on that?

 

[jmercer]

Death is the same if it's a sunny day or you're in an abyss. The same thing will happen. There is no proof that you're body emits any strange "soul radiation". You do not go from being a living, breathing, body of flesh and bone to a floating plasmic otherworldy being.

But emission/reflected spectrum from the body at the time of death can be differant in lighted condition & in dark.

Why light become brighter at the last movement of burning candle/oil lamp?

Light sometimes becomes brighter at the last moment of a burning candle or oil lamp because it's no longer burning the wax/oil, but strictly the wick. The wick burns faster than either oil or wax giving off more light as a consequence.

Candle Flames

 

[hgc]

But emission/reflected spectrum from the body at the time of death can be differant in lighted condition & in dark.

Why light become brighter at the last movement of burning candle/oil lamp?

Light sometimes becomes brighter at the last moment of a burning candle or oil lamp because it's no longer burning the wax/oil, but strictly the wick. The wick burns faster than either oil or wax giving off more light as a consequence.

Candle Flames

You and your mundane explanations, stamping out woo where ever you go. Have a heart. Eternal life is in the balance. er, I mean

 

[ahoneycutt]

thanks for the info on candles, jmercer.

So...is the invisible flame the candle's soul?

 

[Kumar]

But emission/reflected spectrum from the body at the time of death can be differant in lighted condition & in dark.

Why light become brighter at the last movement of burning candle/oil lamp?

Light sometimes becomes brighter at the last moment of a burning candle or oil lamp because it's no longer burning the wax/oil, but strictly the wick. The wick burns faster than either oil or wax giving off more light as a consequence.

Candle Flames [/B][/QUOTE]

Thanks. Does it not happen with burning of just wick or a cotton thread without wax or oil?

 

[Kumar]

Light sometimes becomes brighter at the last moment of a burning candle or oil lamp because it's no longer burning the wax/oil, but strictly the wick. The wick burns faster than either oil or wax giving off more light as a consequence.

Does the voltage meter fluctuate slightly towards higher voltage side for a moment, when we disconnect the electric supply?

Can it happen by electrons retuning back to their origional shells by decaying back to more than one shell by sudden cut-off of continious supply of energy--which may not be there in somewhat live condition due to continious supply of energy which might had kept the electrons always at some higher level than the normal level?

 

[rppa]

Does the voltage meter fluctuate slightly towards higher voltage side for a moment, when we disconnect the electric supply?

What do you mean by "disconnect the electric supply"? Do you mean, if I had a volt meter connected to the wall and disconnected it, would I see a voltage spike? I can't see how.

When there are transformers in a circuit, sudden changes can lead to transient spikes due to self-inductance. I'm not sure if this can be seen when the power is switched off, but perhaps someone knowledgeable can comment.

Can it happen by electrons retuning back to their origional shells by decaying back to more than one shell by sudden cut-off of continious supply of energy--which may not be there in somewhat live condition due to continious supply of energy which might had kept the electrons always at some higher level than the normal level?

No, that's pure nonsense. There's nothing like electrons being out of their shells or falling back into these purported shells when electricity is cut off. The flow of electricity has nothing to do with electrons being put into higher atomic energy levels. It has to do with the fact that the energy levels at which the electrons in a metal normally reside, are spread throughout the metal: electrons in a metal are mobile, not confined to one atom.

 

[Kumar]

What do you mean by "disconnect the electric supply"? Do you mean, if I had a volt meter connected to the wall and disconnected it, would I see a voltage spike? I can't see how.

When there are transformers in a circuit, sudden changes can lead to transient spikes due to self-inductance. I'm not sure if this can be seen when the power is switched off, but perhaps someone knowledgeable can comment.

We can check it properly. We may have to find possibility of sudden release of excess energy at the time of death.

No, that's pure nonsense. There's nothing like electrons being out of their shells or falling back into these purported shells when electricity is cut off. The flow of electricity has nothing to do with electrons being put into higher atomic energy levels. It has to do with the fact that the energy levels at which the electrons in a metal normally reside, are spread throughout the metal: electrons in a metal are mobile, not confined to one atom.

Sense is also there in nonsense]. Do the photons from the electric wire not emitted on passing electric current through it? I think wires get hot after some time of supply?

What about the electrons in body's atomic structure? Are they remain somewhat excited or at higher energy level when a person is alive(due to body heat, chemical bond, light exposure, differance in skin colour due to blood supply or otherwise) AND decay back to their normal level on death (due to loss of body heat, chemical reactions, kin colour change due to loosing blood supply or otherwise)?

 

[Mojo]

We can check it properly. We may have to find possibility of sudden release of excess energy at the time of death.

Yet another phenomenon for which you have no evidence...

Sense is also there in nonsense]. Do the photons from the electric wire not emitted on passing electric current through it? I think wires get hot after some time of supply?

Do you remember what you have been told in other threads about black body radiation?

What about the electrons in body's atomic structure? Are they remain somewhat excited or at higher energy level when a person is alive(due to body heat, chemical bond, light exposure, differance in skin colour due to blood supply or otherwise) AND decay back to their normal level on death (due to loss of body heat, chemical reactions, kin colour change due to loosing blood supply or otherwise)?

No.