Can photograph effect?

[steenkh]

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Surely these are effects of your perception of the photograph rather than of the photograph itself.

Of course. If we do not perceive the photograph, it is just a piece of paper with some coloured smudges on it.

 

[voodoochile]

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Surely these are effects of your perception of the photograph rather than of the photograph itself.

Edited to add: You would get much the same effect from seeing, perhaps, a personal possesion, or hearing a piece of music you associate with them.

Yeah, but you're starting to get into that murky area between conscious thought and unconscious reaction.

Does the photo cause an unconscious reaction or does a conscious reaction to the photo trigger other physical responses?

 

[Kumar]

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The scientific effects of a photograph are these:

You see a picture of a dear relative. Recognition processes in your brain start sending signals to other parts of your brain that this is indeed the dear relative. Then signals shoot around in your brain, causing memories of that person to be dug up, and emotions of love or happiness are created. Release of hormones to tell other parts of your body what state you are in.

If it is a living relative, these processes might lead to you making a phone call to that person, and in this case the photograph has had a direct physical effect that can be observed on this individual.

Got it?

I think it is not scientific but is somewhat psyclogical/placebo.

 

[Rolfe]

Eh? Does he mean "affect"? Does taking or looking at a photograph AFFECT the person being photographed?

Kumar, I realise English may not be your first language, but don't you have a dictionary? (Your daughter seems to have more sense than you, at least she knows cattle can't see colour.)

Why don't you Google for "sympathetic magic"? (And ignore all the links to the girl band of that name - or don't, come to think of it....)

Rolfe.

 

[Kumar]

It's the white light! The light interacts with the information in the photo which was stored from the person whose picture it was. The light carries that information to the viewer in a way that connects the viewer to the spirit of that person! It's just like the potentizing idea in the placebo topic.

Please tell me I'm wrong, and you don't mean this.

edited to add: Is this like your idea about cut-off pieces of hair being able to cause effects on the person whose hair it is?

flume, Some part of your mentioning can be right.

Other replies are not near to what I am thinking. There is nothing homeopathic in it.

 

[rppa]

Now let us think, why we burn candles, lamps in front of photos?

Kumar, this is the weirdest thread I've seen from you yet. You want us to tell YOU the reasons behind a ritual which is part of your culture, not ours. Most of us have no idea that people burn flames in front of photos, what the purported effect is supposed to be, what culture the tradition is from, or any knowledge of this whatsoever. I'm guessing this is a Hindu ritual, but perhaps it's just a local tradition in your village. Who knows?

I personally have never lit a lamp or candle in front of a photograph, nor have I heard of this practice. I do have a habit of lighting candles for the dead when I am in Catholic cathedrals that offer prayer candles, even though I am not Catholic myself. I do this because it is traditional and it comforts me to take part of an old tradition, and to help carry it on. I also do it because the coins I drop in the traditional offering box help the church, and my act and my candle will encourage others to also light candles and drop coins.

I can tell you that many people who light THOSE candles do so because they believe the saint whose picture they are praying to will hear their prayer and might choose to answer it. Many cathedrals even offer a printed version of a prayer to use. Each saint traditionally specializes in one kind of help. So even though I use the opportunity to remember a dead friend or relative, many of the people who light these candles are not doing so for the dead.

So that's MY candle tradition. I haven't the faintest idea what yours is, but whatever it is, the answer is to be found in the traditions and culture of your region. Why would you ask us about YOUR traditions?

 

[neutrino_cannon]

A picture, i.e. a non-scientific effigy has all the physical affects of the imagio or placeholder of the persona being their. It is proven that light is a particle yes? A photograph, which can reflect photons just love a actual persona is therefore the same affect.

 

[Kumar]

A picture, i.e. a non-scientific effigy has all the physical affects of the imagio or placeholder of the persona being their. It is proven that light is a particle yes? A photograph, which can reflect photons just love a actual persona is therefore the same affect.

Can you explain it in more details.

rppa,

As I mentioned there is no other type of effect, but I am looking scientific effects. Just think clours & dimentions.

 

[rppa]

As I mentioned there is no other type of effect, but I am looking scientific effects.

I wasn't clear.

You are asking:

"Please explain why [unspecified group of people] performs [unspecified ritual involving candles and photographs] and why it has [unspecified effect] on [unspecified things or people]."

You have not asked an actual question until you fill in those blanks.

Just think clours & dimentions.

OK, I'm thinking about colors and dimensions... nope, that did not help me understand the ritual you refuse to tell us about or the purported effects you refuse to tell us about. So as I say, you haven't asked a question.

 

[neutrino_cannon]

Can you explain it in more details.

rppa,

As I mentioned there is no other type of effect, but I am looking scientific effects. Just think clours & dimentions.

It am goodly that ye asked. It is an a priori question that the clours in a dimensions isn't the same as if it were the real persona? I know when I see picture that there isn't any light clours that reflects of an wavelengths. They ways that determistic of depth, i.e. distance or "time" is the parralax between the eyes. If the pictures is two far a whey, than thay cannot be told from a light source at infinite distance. Therefore the two-diementional picture is indistinguishable from a graviton.

 

[Zep]

Some part of your mentioning can be right. Other replies are not near to what I am thinking. There is nothing homeopathic in it.

Oh. So this is a guessing game? How many attempts do we get before the bucket of green slime gets tipped on us?

 

[voodoochile]

It am goodly that ye asked. It is an a priori question that the clours in a dimensions isn't the same as if it were the real persona? I know when I see picture that there isn't any light clours that reflects of an wavelengths. They ways that determistic of depth, i.e. distance or "time" is the parralax between the eyes. If the pictures is two far a whey, than thay cannot be told from a light source at infinite distance. Therefore the two-diementional picture is indistinguishable from a graviton.

It's all so clear to me now... Kumar... that should tell you everything you ever need to know about photographs and candles.

The bit about graviton at the end is really the key to all of existence. In fact this may answer your prime matter and energy question all at the same time.

 

[phildonnia]

Pls don't mention placebo, faith etc. effects.

I think it is not scientific but is somewhat psyclogical/placebo.

Ok, now that we have the rules down;

Our minds have a strong affinity for symbols. A photograph is a very strong symbol. We use photographs, like other symbols, as a proxy for the real thing, because it's easier to carry around.

A candle flame is also a symbol. To some people, it conjures up abstract concepts such as "life".

We put a candle in front of a picture of a dead person because we enjoy the effect that this conjunction of symbols has on our minds. By means of the symbol-thing relationship, it fools our minds into imagining the person to be alive; an enjoyable state called "fondly remembering."

To some people, I suppose, it also suggests a parallel future scenario in which they are the person in the photo, and their descendants are lighting candles and fondly remembering. This idea can help take the edge off that uneasy human state called "fear of death".

To some people, the symbolic relationship is so strong, that they get confused, and imagine the symbol to be the thing it represents. In the end, a photograph is gelatin with silver salts in it, a candle is a slowly oxidizing stick of hydrocarbon, and the two together have no effect outside our minds.

 

[Donks]

I still have no idea what you're asking.

What kind of "scientific effect" are you looking for? Can you give us some examples?

Do you believe that if water is exposed to the photograph of a homeopathic remeby, it will become potentized?

 

[Lisa Simpson]

He said this isn't about homeopathy. I think it's about the placebo effect. If you look at a picture of something, you will get some sort of physical effect. However, Kumar would never be that obvious.

 

[Donks]

He said this isn't about homeopathy. I think it's about the placebo effect. If you look at a picture of something, you will get some sort of physical effect. However, Kumar would never be that obvious.

He says a lot of things, yet somehow everything is homeopathic with him

 

[jj]

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No, no emotional, placebo effects or otherwise, but just scientific effects.

Err, that presumse that there are any. Would you like to come up with some?

 

[patnray]

A photograph records one instant in time and distorts 3 dimensional space into 2 dimensions. The distortion is especially obvious if there is a tall building or columns in the photo: the edges are parellel only if the film plane is parellel to the building or column edges (there are special cameras for this). Similar distrotions occur when photographing people, especially with wide angle lenses, but are less obvious because people don't have the convenient parellel lines for comparison. A photgraph also distorts colors since it tries to create all possible colors with just 3 dyes. Photo experts deebate endlessly which film is best for skin tones or scenic pictures. And the color balance of the light source also affects the color in the photo. Most people are familiar with the green cast produced with color film under flourescent lights.

Why not include paintings in your question? I have seen oil paintings that look more real than photographs. The artist can correct for perspective distortion and has a far more subtle color palette to work with. But he brings his own interpretation when rendering the subject.

Since photos and paintings are abstractions of reality, why not consider just the name of the person written on a piece of paper? That is equally symbolic.

 

[Chris Haynes]

...Several people display photographs of their nears & dears, ancestors, parents, dieties etc. pre/post oftheir death with respect & at prominent places in their homes. Some also worship those photos by burning candles, lighted lamps etc. I want to know;...

Burning candles and keeping lights pointed near photographs is a bad thing to do. The soot, heat and chemicals from the candles can degrade them. Also, the lamps can fade the photos.

If you wish to display your photos be sure to have them mounted behind UV glass to prevent fading. To store your photos be aware of all the processes that can degrade the photographs. Here is a kind of a guide:
http://www.exposuresonline.com/PhotoCare/KeepingPhotosSafe.asp

One of the best uses for modern technology is that old family photographs can be scanned. The scanned photo can be printed out and displayed (new photo printer inks have better longevity than previous inks), while the valuable original can be stored safely for a long time.

This is especially true for slides. Each time a slide is projected it will lose quality and start to degrade quickly. I have a slide scanner to preserve them, and the plastic slide sheet is of archival quality NOT poly Vinyl Chloride (PVC).

Photographs can be valuable ways to help keep memories of loved ones and past events. It is nice to see a reminder that my almost 6 foot tall teenager was a cute toddler sleeping with his teddy bear. The effect of having that photograph degraded or destroyed would make me very sad.

 

[Mojo]

Kumar has really lost it this time, hasn't he.