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Call them what they are: Terrorists!

Mycroft

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Damn straight!

Call Them What They Are: Those who murder Iraqi civilians are terrorists

09:02 AM CDT on Friday, July 15, 2005

Two words not uncommon to editorial pages are "resolve" and "sacrifice," especially as they relate to war.

Today, this editorial board resolves to sacrifice another word – "insurgent" – on the altar of precise language. No longer will we refer to suicide bombers or anyone else in Iraq who targets and kills children and other innocent civilians as "insurgents."

The notion that these murderers in any way are nobly rising up against a sitting government in a principled fight for freedom has become, on its face, absurd. If they ever held a moral high ground, they sacrificed it weeks ago, when they turned their focus from U.S. troops to Iraqi men, women and now children going about their daily lives.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcon...ials/stories/071505dnediiraqkids.105158b.html

Kudos to the Dallas Morning News! :)
 
Think of the hurt feelings. Think of the value judgement. Think of the perjorative tone.

Philistine!
 
Ed said:
Philistine!
I consider that a slur against Philistinians.


As to the actual subject of the thread, this is good news but not a breakthrough -- the Dallas Morning News has been in favor of the War on Terror since the beginning. I'm a little surprised they haven't fired AP and "Reuters" entirely just to get away from their loaded language.

That said, I hope it begins a breakthrough. I'll do my teensy part. I'll be emailing the Wall Street Journal on Monday asking them to either edit AP, "Reuters" and BBC stories to correct for the weasel language or discontinue using those services entirely. If the Journal follows DMN's lead, I'll stop buying the New York Times until they join the trend, my addiction to their crossword puzzles notwithstanding.
 
I hate to be a party pooper, but... Leaving aside moral outrage, here's why neutral language (I consider "insurgents" to be closer to neutrality than "terrorists") sometimes is preferable:

Forgotten Coverage of Afghan "Freedom Fighters": the villains of today's news were heroes in the '80s

The tragedy of Afghanistan continues as the valiant and courageous Afghan freedom fighters [The Taliban] persevere in standing up against the brutal power of the Soviet invasion and occupation. The Afghan people are struggling to reclaim their freedom, which was taken from them when the Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan in December of 1979.

One beautiful day, your government might decide it needs to make a deal with the insur... Errr, pardon me, terrorists... And then what will they do? Well, they won't call them terrorists anymore. So let's avoid future "orwellian" moments, shall we, and use insurgents? Who knows, it might make the future editorial direction of the Dallas Morning News easier to follow! ;)
 
If they ever held a moral high ground, they sacrificed it weeks ago, when they turned their focus from U.S. troops to Iraqi men, women and now children going about their daily lives.
It's rather difficult to claim moral superiority while you target innocent civilians of the "occupied" territory.

By this logic if someone breaks into your house it's ok for you to kill the kids.

Edit: And, oh yeah, they are terrorists.
 
Since when does insurgent indicate either nobleness, principleness (is that a word?) or fighting for freedom? That being said calling those insurgents who attack random civilians, terrorists is hardly inaccurate.
 
Terrorist is a POV terms and as such should not be used although we you of course state that certain sources describe them as terrorists.
 
I think the paper's claim to using "precise language" is almost certainly hypocritical and ridiculous.

I am open to being convincinced otherwise, but I strongly suspect that they won't actually differentiate between different groups or factions of insurgents, labelling some terrorists and some insurgents depending on whether there is proof linking each particular group to attacks on civilians.

I think they'll just slap the label "terrorist" on anyone who fights against the US occuption forces. Which is anything but precise.
 
Kerberos said:
Since when does insurgent indicate either nobleness, principleness (is that a word?) or fighting for freedom?

Or, in Reagan's view, the Contras were like the founding fathers?

History is written by the victors.
 
Orwell said:
One beautiful day, your government might decide it needs to make a deal with the insur...
Already happening. There are negotiations with insurgents. Someone told me there are no negotiations with insurgents that have 'blood on their hands' so apparently there are different kinds of insurgents: the ones that do and others that don't murder Iraqi civilians.

I guess that means calling all the insurgents 'terrorists' is inappropriate, unless you want to admit the US is negotiating with terrorists.
 
Earthborn said:
Already happening. There are negotiations with insurgents. Someone told me there are no negotiations with insurgents that have 'blood on their hands' so apparently there are different kinds of insurgents: the ones that do and others that don't murder Iraqi civilians.

I guess that means calling all the insurgents 'terrorists' is inappropriate, unless you want to admit the US is negotiating with terrorists.
Well Reagan certainly put the lie to the notion that we never negotiate with terrorists. I don't think we should as a matter of course but obviously we should never rule out any option.
 
Well, for those of you upset about the Dallas Morning News, this should make you feel better:
The BBC has re-edited some of its coverage of the London Underground and bus bombings to avoid labelling the perpetrators as "terrorists", it was disclosed yesterday.

Early reporting of the attacks on the BBC's website spoke of terrorists but the same coverage was changed to describe the attackers simply as "bombers".

The BBC's guidelines state that its credibility is undermined by the "careless use of words which carry emotional or value judgments".

Consequently, "the word 'terrorist' itself can be a barrier rather than an aid to understanding" and its use should be "avoided", the guidelines say.

Rod Liddle, a former editor of the Today programme, has accused the BBC of "institutionalised political correctness" in its coverage of British Muslims.

A BBC spokesman said last night: "The word terrorist is not banned from the BBC."
Emphasis mine. Question for the BBC: If the word "terrorist" does not properly describe the guys who bombed London, then who does it properly describe?

Now, keep in mind that the terrorists of September 11 used planes, not bombs. So what should the BBC call Muhammad Atta and friends? "Flyingplanesintobuildings-ists?"

Too long. How about "pilots?"
 
The United Nations calls them "other parties". NOT terrorists.
U.N. condemns Mideast violence


UNITED NATIONS, July 15 (UPI) -- The United Nations has condemned Israeli killings of Palestinian militants in Gaza and a rocket attack killing one Israeli woman and wounding several others.

"Without prejudice to Israel's right to legitimate and proportional self-defense, the U.N. Special Coordinator for the Middle East Peace Process, reiterates the United Nations' consistent and vocal opposition to extra-judicial killings," said one of two statements released Friday by envoy Alvaro de Soto's office in Jerusalem.

"The restraint that Israel has observed, by and large, in the last few months, has been noted. It is to be hoped that, at a time when the Palestinian Authority is clearly moving to enforce law and order, Israel, and all other parties, will refrain from activities that might contribute to a further escalation of the situation," it added.
Emphasis all mine. The U.N. Special Coordinator for the Middle East Peace Process won't even say terrorists let alone refer to them by name - Islamic Jihad, Al-Aksa Martyrs' Brigades and Hamas. They are simply "all other parties".
 
I dunno, Orwell.

The democrats and others might one day have to negotiate and make a deal with Republicans or Christians, but that doesn't stop some of them from calling the latter "right wing fanatics", "fundamentalist morons", etc. Also, as long as the Taliban & co. were attacking the USSR, they (as American allies) were despised by the bien pensant people as "heating up the cold war", being part of American-planned "agresion", etc.

It isn't as if using emotional, loaded language is considered a bad idea per se by progressives; on the contrary--as long as it insults the right kind of bad people, such as conservatives, or some government which opposed Marxist "revolutionary" thugs with its own thugs, it is not only permitted but encouraged. It's only the use of emotional, loaded language against the USA's enemies that is discouraged as "simplistic"; and the more murderous and fanatical those enemies are, the more shrill the demand that one should not describe them as fanatical murderers in order not to "judge" them.

The eiptome of this attitude is, of course, Howard Dean, who claimed a Republican senator "should be in jail", but refused to say Osama bin Laden is guilty before he is convicted in trial. (Taking Dean's logic to its logical conclusion, no suicide bomber should ever be called guilty of anything, since by definition they cannot be put on trial for their crimes. Neither, for that matter, should we emotionally prejudge Hitler or Stalin as "evil" or "guilty"--they were never on trial, were they? But I digress...)

This attitude, of course, is just what one would expect from those who believe in the two "progressive" dogmas, namely, 1). The USA is in the main a force of evil and opression in the world due to its "capitalist imperialist system", and (more importantly) 2). that being "nonjudgemental" and devoid of moral outrage is the highest moral stand one can possibly achieve; the more horrified and outraged "unelightened" people feel at some enormity, the more virtuous one is for refusing to be outraged, shocked, or "judgemental" about those who did it.

Moral flatness, usually a sign of psychopathy, is considered by the enlightened crowd as a sign that one is an "independent thinker", not "controlled by irrational emotions" or part of the "mob" which is being "bainwashed" by the (evil USA) government, which is using the "tragedy" for propgadna purposes. "Tragedy,of course, is not used by them in the Shakespearian sense, but in the sense something bad that nobody in particular is to blame for (except, perhaps, some "root cause" which usually has to do with US imperialism or zionism).

What puzzles me is that this moral flatness, so devoutly wished for by some people, is totally fake: when I tell such people that, if I were to take their pronouncements literally, they are obviously psychopathic as they have no moral guide, they tell me, in outrage, that they privately feel as much rage and anger and loss as everybody else, they just won't let it "affect their judgement."

So they are not psychopathic--they do not lack a moral sense; they just refuse (or pretend to refuse) to use it in public. Making moral judgements has replaced what kinky sex used to be: something that isn't so much bad in itself, but still embarrasing, something not to be done in public, something you wouldn't want your neioghbors to know you enjoy doing.
 
Hmmm. I was under the impression that most of the suiced bombs in Iraq was targetted either at US forces, Iraqi police or security forces or the civilian administration. I can't say I'm aware of many that out and out targetted ordinary Iraqi civilians.

(And no, this is not a defense of the suicide bombs in Iraq; merely a moment in the discussion of wether we should label the people who're behind them as terrorists or insurgents.)
 
BPSCG said:
Well, for those of you upset about the Dallas Morning News, this should make you feel better:
Emphasis mine. Question for the BBC: If the word "terrorist" does not properly describe the guys who bombed London, then who does it properly describe?

Now, keep in mind that the terrorists of September 11 used planes, not bombs. So what should the BBC call Muhammad Atta and friends? "Flyingplanesintobuildings-ists?"

Too long. How about "pilots?"

How about "misguided sightseers"?!??

:D
 
Leif Roar said:
Hmmm. I was under the impression that most of the suiced bombs in Iraq was targetted either at US forces, Iraqi police or security forces or the civilian administration. I can't say I'm aware of many that out and out targetted ordinary Iraqi civilians[

You're joking about this one, aren't you?
 

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