Building 7 Exploding BEFORE WTC1 "Collapse"

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8aHfd9dpLg


First thing I noticed was that the Phone is probably not the one they say it is.....a dressed stone column is missing and the phone height is all wrong. The murray street scene may even be photo shopped to add the phone.

The "explosion" sounds too clear as well so may have been added to the audio as well.........

Did they take into account daylight savings time? If they made the same mistake that balsamo did on his "NOC" fantasy until I pointed it out, they will be out by one hour.......
 
sheeplesnshills said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8aHfd9dpLg


First thing I noticed was that the Phone is probably not the one they say it is.....a dressed stone column is missing and the phone height is all wrong. The murray street scene may even be photo shopped to add the phone.

The "explosion" sounds too clear as well so may have been added to the audio as well.........

Did they take into account daylight savings time? If they made the same mistake that balsamo did on his "NOC" fantasy until I pointed it out, they will be out by one hour.......
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Oh brother, it is rare that you see such falsity.

That scene has been debunked a million times, and now the scumbag has added fake captions.
 
16.5 said:
Oh brother, it is rare that you see such falsity.

That scene has been debunked a million times, and now the scumbag has added fake captions.
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Sorry if this has been covered before. Do you have link to previous thread on this scene.
 
sheeplesnshills said:
Sorry if this has been covered before. Do you have link to previous thread on this scene.
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No worrys. I actually don't remember ever seeing this video with the outrageous captions in it.

hopefully someone can come along and link us to the earlier discussions of the raw tape.
 
First thing I noticed was that the Phone is probably not the one they say it is.....a dressed stone column is missing and the phone height is all wrong. The murray street scene may even be photo shopped to add the phone.
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Ok had a long close look at google street view and it probably is the same phone. The building on the left is now a fancy Irish themed restaurant and has been extensively remodeled.
 
At 2:00 the caption says "sevens exploding" but thats is NOT what the guy is saying. he says "Seven's going to fall down.

Given that they can falsify that, it does not bode well for the honesty of the rest of the video.
 
sheeplesnshills said:
Ok had a long close look at google street view and it probably is the same phone. The building on the left is now a fancy Irish themed restaurant and has been extensively remodeled.
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What intersection is that?

There are many copies of the "blast at the public phone" on Youtube. My Reading of the "more..." on them that say the phone was around Church St & Murray or Murray and Broadway. Google Maps will show non-New Yorkers where this is in relationship to WTC. Call it 1,000 ft.

If a blast at WTC that loud was real, it would be heard all over lower Manhattan.

Investigogling finds that this video was shot by a Lucia Davis, who has an IMDB entry and who at the time worked for a Boston alternative-media TV station. She shot several segments in the Church & Chambers area.

IMDB credits her for
1. 7 Days in September (2002) (field crew: Broadcast News Networks 9/11)
1. "MSNBC Investigates" .... Herself (1 episode, 2001)
- 24 Hours at Ground Zero (2001) TV episode .... Herself

I assume the clip came from one of these. I'd love to see the context of the clip.

I called the station a year ago and she was no longer associated with them. If someone has a "pro" IMDB account, it might be possible to get a message to her to let her know that (IMO) her work a been co-opted for a lie.
 
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That video clip has been debunked. It occured after the collapse of tower 1, but before tower two collapsed.

It was posted here... but I can't find the link which shows when it was taken.

The poster did a shadow analysis and showed that it was AFTER the first collapse, but before the second one.

Gee... something going BANG when a 110 story building has just collapsed and there are fires in the ares... go figure.

And the person didnt' say SEVENS exploding. He said SOMETHING'S exploding BIG Difference.

The person used the wrong information in the vide. WE can see all of the dust and debris from the collapse of tower 1. That is why they are calling home to tell their families they are still alive and were not in the collapse.

Someone will have the link.... I cant find it in my bookmarks
 
You really don't need to do shadow analysis to determine the video happened after at least one of the towers collapsed. There's dust all over the place, and the guy is wearing a dust mask. If it happened before the collapse..there wouldn't be any dust or need for a mask.
 
Macgyver1968 said:
You really don't need to do shadow analysis to determine the video happened after at least one of the towers collapsed. There's dust all over the place, and the guy is wearing a dust mask. If it happened before the collapse..there wouldn't be any dust or need for a mask.
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[CT] They would be wearing a mask if they were in on it and knew they would need it!!1!!11!!1 This also explains why they were 700+ feet away and in a safe area!!!!1!!1!!!!1!!11!11[/CT]
 
sheeplesnshills said:
At 2:00 the caption says "sevens exploding" but thats is NOT what the guy is saying. he says "Seven's going to fall down.

Given that they can falsify that, it does not bode well for the honesty of the rest of the video.
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Given that this video was between the first and second towers collapse I listened carefully to what the approaching fire man says....it not crystal clear but it sounds like "the seconds going to fall" and nothing about WTC7 at all.
So all we have is a loud noise which could just as easily be a propane gas cylinder or similar in a burning vehicle exploding if, in fact,its genuine at all. There is no reason at all to connect it with WTC7.
 
sheeplesnshills said:
At 2:00 the caption says "sevens exploding" but thats is NOT what the guy is saying. he says "Seven's going to fall down.

Given that they can falsify that, it does not bode well for the honesty of the rest of the video.
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Is he even saying that? Doesn't sound like either to me.
 
sheeplesnshills said:
Its on Murray and West Broadway. About 733 feet away from the back of WTC7
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Which is within the collapse zone of WTC 7 - collapse zone is 1.5 X the height
of the building. WTC 7 was 47 stories (610 feet) making collapse zone
915 feet radius from WTC 7
 
Man.

As others have pointed out, there's debris all over the place, no matter how they tried to adjust the color level.

How low can truthers go.

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It sounds to me like he's saying "**** is exploding" or "stuff is exploding". The first guy on the phone is wearing a watch which looks like it says about 11:15, but it's hard to tell, and that wouldn't match with the various attempts at shadow analysis. The clip is from about 3:04 in the video. I love how the contributors to the video are all "anonymous" screennames. What a bunch of dweebs.

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AJM8125 said:
Man.

As others have pointed out, there's debris all over the place, no matter how they tried to adjust the color level.

How low can truthers go.

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As I recall WTC7 was hit by the North Tower, the second to fall. So there would be dust from the first tower everywhere already. The fireman is warning everyone to get out of the dangerzone because they now expect the second tower to fall. The noise could be anything, but cannot possibly be the demolition of any core columns in WTC7 as it did not collapse for another 7 hours. There were dozens of cars etc already burning from the collapse of the first tower and the NYFD was just trying to get everyone away from the other tower so anything would have been left to burn/explode.
However the noise is too clear relative to the rest of the audio in my opinion and I think has been dubbed onto something else happening.
 
Transcript of that video as best as I can make out.....you need to listen without watching the video as the captions affect the way you "hear" what they say.....

Policeman 1 (the guy on the phone with the cloth over his head)
"Heres one of the guys that can tell you that I'm OK, right? (hands phone to Policeman 2) here you are...do you want to call your mother or something?"
Policeman 2 (tall guy with black air mask and gray cloth over shoulder)
"hello?"
Loud noise makes the two policemen flinch and look around towards the South (The direction of the WTC Towers).
Fireman 1 walks up from east (wearing white mask)
"(You are ?) not supposed to be, you gotta get back from here, you know that, they gotta get back, the seconds gonna fall down....
Fireman 2 (previously unseen, wearing helmet and black mask)
"I know"
Policeman 1
"dont' worry about me"
Fireman 2
"you need to make calls, I know"

This is clearly after the south Tower Collapses 9:59 and before the second (North) tower collapses at 10:28. It was the North Tower that causes the main damage to WTC7. WTC7 stood for almost another 7 hours, falling at 5:21
The video does not mention WTC7 at all so there is no reason to connect the noise the Policemen are reacting to too that building as opposed to anything else that might have resulted from the collapse of the south tower.
 
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