BTK caught

[crimresearch]

Speaking of Ressler, Douglas, and the FBI's Behavioral Sciences unit, I was at a rummage sale today, and found a copy of 'Mind Hunter'.....


On the fiction table, right where it belonged,

 

[elle_inquisitor]

This link contains the sketches of what Dennis Mckenzie envisions BTK to look like. Not even close but still interesting.

http://ghostiesannex.myphotoalbum.com/view_album.php?set_albumName=BTK

 

[Bikewer]

According to another news source, the guy tripped himself up with one of his taunting messages to police.
Apparently used a previously-recorded CD, and failed to understand that "deleted" material can frequently be recovered.

Havn't seen any further on this, however.

 

[RandFan]

I know this isn't a court of law, but no matter how damning the evidence looks (and it looks pretty damning), he is innocent until proven guilty.

In the eyes of the law. "Innocent until proven guilty" is a legal concept. We are allowed to examine the evidence on our own and form an opinion. I can even go on TV and assert that this guy is guilty.

That being said. It is difficult for a defendant to get a fair trail if public opinion is overwhelmingly convinced that he is guilty. There is reason why innocent until proven guilty is desirable beyond the court system. So I agree with you that it is best for us not to form an opinion.

Frankly, if he is guilty, there's not enough imagined tortures in hell by which to punish him.

No argument here.

 

[Bikewer]

Serial killers are a particularly difficult case. There are a couple of different types: I think the FBI and most forensic types refer to "organized" and "disorganized".

The organized type, like BTK, indulges in meticulous planning and execution, frequently reads up on evidence and forensic methods, and often taunts investigators.

Disorganized killers frequently display an escalating pattern of violence, and often suicide. The "catch me before I kill more" sort of thing.

Both are acting under powerful compulsions and are certifiably if not legally mentally ill. John Money maintained that such crimes are a form of paraphilia, not dissimilar in origin to some types of serial rapists.

The organized killer is calculating, frequently intelligent, and very difficult to capture.

 

[billydkid]

Not really the same...

I am of course happy the man was caught, but I don't like the "A Christian! How lovely!" comments. What would you think about "A jew! How lovely!" or "A Muslim! How lovely!" comments?

I am certain "The Central Scrutenizer" was being sarcastic, mind you, (making fun of 1inChrist the troll) and certainly not trying to imply all Christians are like that.

I am just annoyed that Christianity seems to be the ONLY religion whose criticism is allowed without social sanction. Either all religions are allowed to be criticized (my view of course), or none are.

Christianity is purely a belief system, whereas those other things you mention tend to involve particular ethnicities, so it is not exactly equivalent.

 

[Just thinking]

The DNA is a match. BTK is caught.
I hope the bastard rots in jail for a long time.

Not to distract from your emotional feelings, but I heard an update on his capture on the radio yesterday in my car saying that "He will likely not get the death penalty ..."

Just what the heck does it take for authorities to justify even trying the death penalty on-for-size??? Yes, rotting in prison may be a severe form of punnishment, but this bast**d deserves to die. This got my hairs to stand on end.

 

[Lisa Simpson]

Re: Re: BTK caught

Not to distract from your emotional feelings, but I heard an update on his capture on the radio yesterday in my car saying that "He will likely not get the death penalty ..."

Just what the heck does it take for authorities to justify even trying the death penalty on-for-size??? Yes, rotting in prison may be a severe form of punnishment, but this bast**d deserves to die. This got my hairs to stand on end.

He didn't commit his crimes during the time Kansas had the death penalty. Therefore, they can't charge him with it.

 

[Just thinking]

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He didn't commit his crimes during the time Kansas had the death penalty. Therefore, they can't charge him with it.

Nice.

I wonder (given what I read above about his knowledge of the law) if that gave him a sense of emboldenment.

 

[DaChew]

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Nice.

I wonder (given what I read above about his knowledge of the law) if that gave him a sense of emboldenment.

Oh, I don't think I'd worry too much about whether he deserves to receive the death penalty. He tortured and killed women and children. 5 years in prison will be a death penalty for him.

 

[Bikewer]

They are investigating other unsolved crimes, and the local paper today said they may be able to link him to murders that will carry the death penalty.

 

[Lisa Simpson]

They are investigating other unsolved crimes, and the local paper today said they may be able to link him to murders that will carry the death penalty.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if they link him to other murders, even post-1994. He really enjoyed the attention and the thrill, I think, and it would take an incredible amount of willpower to not keep killing.

 

[Art Vandelay]

The downside of this is that it will support even more contrived detective stories in which the bad guy deliberately leaves clues to taunt the good guy.

I am of course happy the man was caught, but I don't like the "A Christian! How lovely!" comments. What would you think about "A jew! How lovely!" or "A Muslim! How lovely!" comments?

After the Columbine tragedy, there were some people using it to promote an anti-gun agenda. The father of one of the victims went before congress and basically said "Guns don't kill people, atheists kill people". Is it so surprising that people would now be eager to point out the hypocrisy? Frankly, I am increasingly coming to the conclusion that Christians can go **** themselves. They have no respect for me, why should I respect them?

And BTW, the phrase "religion of peace" has been sarcastically used to refer to Islam repeatedly on this board.

Either all religions are allowed to be criticized (my view of course), or none are.

So I'm not allowed to criticize Scientology unless I also criticize Quakerism? Religion is not like race. There are many situations in which discrimination against religions is justified, even obligatory. Seeing as how many religions themselves demand discrimination against other religions, failing to discriminate against these religions would be an endorsement of discrimination against the other religions. Seeing as how one must, either way, support discrimination, I find discrimination against intolerance to be preferable.

Just Thinking

I wonder (given what I read above about his knowledge of the law) if that gave him a sense of emboldenment.

So, what, he figured "Hey, as long as I can only get life imprisonment, getting caught doesn't really matter to me?"

Lisa Simpson

I wouldn't be at all surprised if they link him to other murders, even post-1994.

Or get him in another jurisdiction. The Federal government is rather fond of making things a Federal crime.

 

[RandFan]

After the Columbine tragedy, there were some people using it to promote an anti-gun agenda. The father of one of the victims went before congress and basically said "Guns don't kill people, atheists kill people".

Hey Art, typically the jerk I am I thought I would be just a bit contrarian. There is a fine line between pointing out hypocrisy and To Quoque. Trust me I go to that line all of the time. I'm often of accused of going over it.

Is it so surprising that people would now be eager to point out the hypocrisy?

Sure, as long as they do just that.

Frankly, I am increasingly coming to the conclusion that Christians can go **** themselves. They have no respect for me, why should I respect them?

"They"? Who is they? Every single one of them disrespect you or what you stand for?

And BTW, the phrase "religion of peace" has been sarcastically used to refer to Islam repeatedly on this board.

Yes, and those who do it are wrong.

So I'm not allowed to criticize Scientology unless I also criticize Quakerism? Religion is not like race. There are many situations in which discrimination against religions is justified, even obligatory. Seeing as how many religions themselves demand discrimination against other religions, failing to discriminate against these religions would be an endorsement of discrimination against the other religions. Seeing as how one must, either way, support discrimination, I find discrimination against intolerance to be preferable.

Interesting logic. Let me see... they are intolerant towards each other so you are intolerant towards all of them because to tolerate one would be to tolerate all.

I think your post is To Quoque. JMO.

 

[Roadtoad]

Thank God it's over.

"As far as I'm concerned, Dennis Rader does not deserve to live. I want him to suffer as much as he made his victims suffer," said Beverly Plapp, sister of victim Nancy Fox. "This man needs to be thrown in a deep, dark hole and left to rot. He should never, ever see the light of day ... On the day he dies, Nancy and all of his victims will be waiting with God and watching him as he burns in hell."

The two-day hearing also included rambling, sometimes-tearful testimony from Rader, who apologized to his family and victims, thanked the police, and offered Biblical quotes. Some family members walked out of court during Rader's half hour of testimony, saying they did not want to give him the time of day.

"A dark side is there, but now I think light is beginning to shine," Rader said, his voice choking at times. "Hopefully someday God will accept me."

Not likely.

 

[Roadtoad]

Couldn't get the previous link to work. This one does: BTK Sentenced.

 

[Ipecac]

God will accept him. All he has to do is to accept Jebus into his heart. Once he does that, he's good to go and when he dies he'll be up in Heaven partying with his victims.

Unless his victims died in sin, of course, in which case he'll be partying in heaven while they writhe in hell.

It sounds wrong, but god's ways are mysterious, after all.