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Wonder how they are going to do the Tory party conference, if parliament is still open for business? Wouldn't have thought the government would want all their MPs and ministers out of the house. Could you imagine what bills the opposition could get through! :D
 
It did cross my mind that Johnson might resign seemingly in response to the Court ruling, but actually as a quid pro quo for that supposedly career ending scandal being quietly forgotten. So either he thinks he can weather the scandal, or he thinks he can keep it quiet. Or, of course, there was nothing to those rumours in the first place.
 
Damn, you go cycling in Sicily for a few days and it all kicks off.

I'm guessing that Boris Johnson ignores the ruling, runs down the clock and the UK drops out with no deal. :(

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The thread title will have me dusting off my lime green vinyl copy of Don't Point Your Finger....
 
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Squeegee Beckenheim said:
Johnson's been saying that the court decision is about people trying to frustrate Brexit, and by saying that they need a Queen's speech anyway, is hinting that he's going to have another go at proroguing parliament.
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Hmm... but Boris... you said the prorogation had NOTHING to do with Brexit, remember? So how would stopping it be frustrating Brexit? Unless..... unless... surely not.... were you telling fibs?
 
The Don said:
Damn, you go cycling in Sicily for a few days and it all kicks off.

I'm guessing that Boris Johnson ignores the ruling, runs down the clock and the UK drops out with no deal. :(

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The thread title will have me dusting off my lime green vinyl copy of Don't Point Your Finger....
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He can't. The ruling means that the prorogue is void and there is literally nothing he can do about it.

He could try to prorogue again (bit of a stretch even for him), try and call an election, or try and call a vote of no confidence in himself and hope that that leads to an election, or try and get the WA ratified in parliament..

Otherwise he needs to go cap in hand to Brussels and ask for an extension by the 19th Oct.
 
Hubert Cumberdale said:
He could try to prorogue again (bit of a stretch even for him)[...]
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Even if he did try it, it'd be unlikely to succeed. AIUI, Bercow didn't have the power to do anything with the last proroguement. This decision, though, I believe gives him the power to say that a proroguement isn't valid because there is no good reason for it, and it would then be up to Johnson to go to court in order to try to have the court establish that there is a good reason for it.
 
Hubert Cumberdale said:
He can't. The ruling means that the prorogue is void and there is literally nothing he can do about it.

He could try to prorogue again (bit of a stretch even for him), try and call an election, or try and call a vote of no confidence in himself and hope that that leads to an election, or try and get the WA ratified in parliament..

Otherwise he needs to go cap in hand to Brussels and ask for an extension by the 19th Oct.
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Yes, wait two weeks, prorogue again and wait for the case to go through the courts which will be too late for the letter and too late to do anything else.

He could even try to cause a(bother) constitutional crisis by calling Parliament illegitimate and saying that Conservative MPs should not attend..
 
As Squeegee says, I'm pretty sure the power over allowing a proroguement is with the speaker now, after this case.

It won't go back to the courts.
 
https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1176508349845823488

1. No 10 source: “We think the Supreme Court is wrong and has made a serious mistake in extending its reach to these political matters."

2. Source goes on... "Further, the Supreme Court has made it clear that its reasons are connected to the Parliamentary disputes over, and timetable for, leaving the European Union. We think this is a further serious mistake. "

3. No 10 - "We think this is a further serious mistake. We will study the judgement carefully to consider how we can best respond in these unique circumstances. As always the government will respect the law and comply with the courts.”
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At this point you really have to ask what the hardcore brexiteers actually expect Brexit to achieve? It's not going to bring any economic benefits, its not going to stop immigration and their attitude to parliament and the courts makes it clear that restoring UK sovereignty was another lie so what the hell is it for?
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1176497743969345542
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And in case you’re wondering, I hear that the prime minister is absolutely furious about all of this. This prorogation plan couldn’t have gone worse. Awful own goal that has triggered a series of mini-crises for Johnson culminating with a rebuke from the highest court in the land
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And to think a few weeks ago we had people telling us this was all a positively Machiavellian plan that would deliver a No Deal Brexit and an election victory that would put Johson in Number 10 for the next 5 years. Now he'll be lucky to last 5 days.
 
Garrison said:
At this point you really have to ask what the hardcore brexiteers actually expect Brexit to achieve? It's not going to bring any economic benefits, its not going to stop immigration and their attitude to parliament and the courts makes it clear that restoring UK sovereignty was another lie so what the hell is it for?
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Making billion/millionaire disaster capitalists even richer by trashing people's rights, deregulating everything, and slashing tax.
 
GlennB said:
Anyone notice the "Boris the Spider" motif on her top?

Coincidence? I don't think so :D
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I think you're reaching. Maybe...
Creepy, creepy, crawly, crawly
Creepy, creepy, crawly, crawly
Creepy, creepy, crawly, crawly
Creepy, creepy, crawly, crawly
He's come to a sticky end
Don't think he will ever mend
Never more will he crawl 'round
He's embedded in the ground
Boris the spider
Boris the spider
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Darat said:
Or give up her disgusting useless influence on the governance of the country.
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Really she's demonstrated that the UK monarchy is utterly pointless, not even acting as a safeguard.

The Great Zaganza said:
He could call for new elections.
Probably will.
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He didn't even manage that last time.
 
Garrison said:
At this point you really have to ask what the hardcore brexiteers actually expect Brexit to achieve? It's not going to bring any economic benefits, its not going to stop immigration and their attitude to parliament and the courts makes it clear that restoring UK sovereignty was another lie so what the hell is it for?
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There was a diabetic guy on the news the other day who was asked whether he still supported Brexit, even though it meant that he might die due to lack of insulin. He said yes, because it was what people had voted for.

There is no logic or reason any more (what little there was, beyond "blindly believing everything Nigel Farage said" or "wanting to keep the darkies out"), it's just a "side" that people have picked and now feel committed to.
 
The Don said:
Yes, wait two weeks, prorogue again and wait for the case to go through the courts which will be too late for the letter and too late to do anything else.
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I suspect that, given today's precedent, that the SC would issue an order nullifying such an action within an hour.

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The Don said:
could even try to cause a(bother) constitutional crisis by calling Parliament illegitimate and saying that Conservative MPs should not attend..
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That would be amusing. Corbyn takes the premiership by default, shades of the Rump Parliament.
 
Garrison said:
At this point you really have to ask what the hardcore brexiteers actually expect Brexit to achieve? It's not going to bring any economic benefits, its not going to stop immigration and their attitude to parliament and the courts makes it clear that restoring UK sovereignty was another lie so what the hell is it for?
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It's now solely the principle that because they can't or shouldn't have it, that they therefore want it beyond anything else. For them, not to get it would be tantamount to their cocks falling off.
 
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