Breaking down telepathy

[23_Tauri]

Thank you all for the responses. I figured since I can hear my own thoughts, that there would be a possibility for anyone to hear them.

Everyone can hear their own thoughts, Giza. Not just you. Everyone. We all do it all day long. Buddhists call it 'the monkey mind'. I love that phrase. Meditation is all about learning how to quieten the monkey mind.

Another question if you all don't mind..
Animals/insects seem to pick up on my thoughts.

How do you know this? What happens to make you think the animal can hear what you're thinking?

Is it common for animals/insects to pick up/respond to your thoughts?

No. Some higher animals are good on picking up cues from human behaviour though, particular from humans that they are close to. For example, domestic dogs know when their master is sick or worried, that sort of thing. They aren't reading the person's thoughts though, just picking up on subtle changes in behaviour and mood. Just like people do in fact.

 

[Complexity]

Could you explain a little further? Do you mean it existed in the past but we lost it due to the variety of ways of communication we have now?

I'll be happy to!

I think telepathy has always been a ridiculous idea believed in only by superstitious, unreasoning, non-scientific people who want very much to believe in something in spite of the total lack of evidence.

By saying that I think telepathy 'broke down a long time ago', I was, in my patented gently-mocking manner, suggesting that there was never a time in which it wasn't broken (i.e. that it was never, ever true).

Telepathy is woo, and should be walked run away from as quickly as possible.

There are some really good science books out there, many appropriate for every level of scientific knowledge.

Please take the time you're investing in 'telepathy' and put it into something really worth investigating - reality.

 

[Giza]

How do you know this? What happens to make you think the animal can hear what you're thinking? QUOTE]

Well, when I am trying to figure something out, birds would flock to my yard, and if I am thinking on the wrong path a few would fly away, and if the opposite they would come back. Other times at night an insect would make a noise and I would think nothing of it, but then an insect would make a noise with a different tone as if it's trying to capture my attention.

 

[Halfcentaur]

Insects have a nerve bundle for a brain that could never process your thoughts, the human mind sees design and intent in places where it doesn't exist. I also have had problems in my life where I was terribly paranoid others could read my thoughts, though I'd never concede it was really happening if someone sat me down and asked me out loud. I know it's insane and there are no mechanisms for such a process that exist in biology. You don't even think in linear sentences, but I like the way you describe prayer as a direct method of thought similar to language.

But with how much credence you're giving this I'd say you have mental health issues which need to be looked into. These things are not real, and they are specifically the symptoms of mental disorder that are common. Step back and think of how many people have been alive in the world, this could never be kept a secret if it were real. People would divide themselves into groups who could use the ability of telepathy, and telepathy would not be limited to fantasy and science fiction genres.

 

[Giza]

I'll be happy to!

I think telepathy has always been a ridiculous idea believed in only by superstitious, unreasoning, non-scientific people who want very much to believe in something in spite of the total lack of evidence.

By saying that I think telepathy 'broke down a long time ago', I was, in my patented gently-mocking manner, suggesting that there was never a time in which it wasn't broken (i.e. that it was never, ever true).

Telepathy is woo, and should be walked run away from as quickly as possible.

There are some really good science books out there, many appropriate for every level of scientific knowledge.

Please take the time you're investing in 'telepathy' and put it into something really worth investigating - reality.

Ah, thanks for the advice. I just found it odd that you can think, and control your thought, and even speak with your thought. So I was thinking thought operates on a certain frequency that can be picked up and recorded.

 

[AdMan]

But with how much credence you're giving this I'd say you have mental health issues which need to be looked into. These things are not real, and they are specifically the symptoms of mental disorder that are common. Step back and think of how many people have been alive in the world, this could never be kept a secret if it were real. People would divide themselves into groups who could use the ability of telepathy, and telepathy would not be limited to fantasy and science fiction genres.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7585648#post7585648

Welcome to the forum, Giza. Hope the E in JREF delivers.

 

[Giza]

Thank you very much, nice to find a respectful community from what I've experienced so far. I think I'm in love already, haha.

 

[dafydd]

How do you know this? What happens to make you think the animal can hear what you're thinking? QUOTE]

Well, when I am trying to figure something out, birds would flock to my yard, and if I am thinking on the wrong path a few would fly away, and if the opposite they would come back. Other times at night an insect would make a noise and I would think nothing of it, but then an insect would make a noise with a different tone as if it's trying to capture my attention.

You are surprised that insects vary the noises they make? I can assure you that they were not trying to capture your attention. As for the birds,what do you mean by 'thinking on the wrong path'? What is the right way to think when one sees birds?

 

[dafydd]

So I was thinking thought operates on a certain frequency that can be picked up and recorded.

It all depends what you mean by recorded. Brain activity can be recorded,you thoughts,no.

 

[23_Tauri]

How do you know this? What happens to make you think the animal can hear what you're thinking?

Well, when I am trying to figure something out, birds would flock to my yard, and if I am thinking on the wrong path a few would fly away, and if the opposite they would come back. Other times at night an insect would make a noise and I would think nothing of it, but then an insect would make a noise with a different tone as if it's trying to capture my attention.

Sounds like confirmation bias to me.

 

[Giza]

You are surprised that insects vary the noises they make? I can assure you that they were not trying to capture your attention. As for the birds,what do you mean by 'thinking on the wrong path'? What is the right way to think when one sees birds?

When I said thinking I meant not actually thinking of the birds, but thinking of a subject. This happens when I am conversating with the voices. A little busy at the moment, I will try and come up with an example for you then to help further explain.

 

[dafydd]

When I said thinking I meant not actually thinking of the birds, but thinking of a subject. This happens when I am conversating with the voices. A little busy at the moment, I will try and come up with an example for you then to help further explain.

I went through a depressive episode fifteen years ago. I heard voices too. Medication helped me and I've been fine ever since. No need for any further examples. If you really are hearing voices in your head I would suggest that you seek help,just like i did.

 

[thaiboxerken]

If you are hearing voices, and no one is around, seek help from a mental health spcialist.

 

[Giza]

Yes I know, I have been on meds for awhile now.
This is why it seems so persuasive to me.
I would sit outside, and think..
"Maybe we as human beings shouldn't abuse animals as we do"
Birds fly into my view.
"But some say they're inferior beings and we can do whatever we like to them"
Some birds fly away
"But animals are beings just like us and should be treated equally"
More birds flock into my view

 

[Halfcentaur]

You have to think about the billions and trillions and zillions of things happening, it would be supernatural if coincidences were not happening constantly. Human beings seem to have a natural instinct (if you'll call it) to seek out patterns and attribute meaning to them. We then seek out purpose in these correlations. This is how the monkey experiments with rocks enough to know they can smash a nut or mollusk shell with it. We're wired for this sort of thing. You're experiencing something called confirmation bias, it's something we all must strive to free ourselves from in order to see the truth in things.

I'm glad you're approaching this from a view point of questioning, so far. Keep on analyzing this.

 

[Giza]

Ahh, I understand. Like how people in ancient times used to believe a god drove the sun across the sky.

Also another thing if telepathy was proven.. all crime would eventually be found out. When someone commits an act they usually think about it here and there, which would basically be them admitting to the crime. Once the population realizes that any crime has more of a chance of being found out rather than not, it will dwindle peoples intent on committing such acts, it would also correct the fault in the system where sometimes an innocent person is convicted. This is of course if it was proven 100%.

I also believe a large amount of people would change how they conduct themselves and the morals they abide by. With other people being able to read each other they would then become persuaded to change themselves if they conduct their thought in a negative way. Such as racial bigots and child predators, to name a few. Open telepathy would pretty much eliminate lying. It would possibly take a very mentally skilled person to avoid these conditions.

 

[carlitos]

Why do birds suddenly appear, every time, you are near?


ETA -

Also another thing if telepathy was proven.. all crime would eventually be found out.

And Las Vegas would close. It's an important example.

 

[Giza]

Good point, but the person with the best hand would always win, so it would still be a gamble just without the deceiving, making the game a 'true' gamble. Which also creates the question what causes a person to earn their luck? Unless it's just a coincidence, but I'm conflicted with believing/not believing in coincidence.

But anyway gambling with telepathy open to all.. would be IMO much more self rewarding, the person would feel they earned what they gained through the gamble.

 

[carlitos]

And yet Las Vegas remains open.

 

[Giza]

Sorry, I didn't mean to be like stern or disrespectful, I most likely misinterpreted what you said, I thought you meant that due to the power and money Las Vegas generates the people running it would do anything in their power to prevent such ability to spread.

I think I know what you meant now, haha. Never experienced Las Vegas, so I'm guessing they cheat as you meant, I think a little too much sometimes.