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Boycott Nestle

thaiboxerken

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Nestlé and Wyeth, two of the World's largest producers of powdered baby milk, are currently breaking a World Health Organisation Code on the marketing of breast milk substitutes.
Nestlé and Wyeth provide free milk to maternity hospitals in the Third World so that newborn babies are routinely bottle-fed.
When newborn babies are given bottles, they are less able to suckle well. This makes breastfeeding failure likely. The baby is then dependent on artificial milk.
When the mother and baby leave hospital, the milk is no longer free. At home parents are forced to buy more milk, which can cost 50% of the family income.
Because the milk is so expensive the child is not fed enough. This leads to malnutrition.
The water mixed with the formula is often contaminated. This leads to diarhhoea, malnutrition and often death. James Grant, Executive Officer of UNICEF, has said:
Every day some 3,000 to 4,000 infants die because they are denied access to adequate breast milk.
1.5 million babies die every year from unsafe bottle feeding.
Breast feeding is free and safe and protects against infection - but companies know that unless they get babies on the bottle, they don't do business.


http://danny.oz.au/BFAG/







Is it just me, or does this website just stink of junk-science?

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The page you linked to seems to consists solely of the info you posted plus some additional links. Where is the junk-science?
 
DanishDynamite said:
The page you linked to seems to consists solely of the info you posted plus some additional links. Where is the junk-science?
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The junk science on the website is the claim that babies won't breast feed if they are bottle fed.

If a baby gets hungry enough, he will breast feed.

That website is just an attack on capitalism. Here is the author's personal motive:

When the mother and baby leave hospital, the milk is no longer free. At home parents are forced to buy more milk, which can cost 50% of the family income.

So the boycott of Nestle is only necessary if Nestle doesn't provide free milk (socialism) to the nursing mothers.

It is junk-science.

JK
 
Jedi Knight:
The junk science on the website is the claim that babies won't breast feed if they are bottle fed.
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The claim was, and I quote:

"When newborn babies are given bottles, they are less able to suckle well. This makes breastfeeding failure likely. "

Do you have evidence to the contrary?
 
Do you have evidence to the contrary?

I personally won't believe the claim unless they have several peer-reviewed studies to support it.
 
thaiboxerken said:
Do you have evidence to the contrary?

I personally won't believe the claim unless they have several peer-reviewed studies to support it.
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Fair enough.

However, where is the junk-science you referred to?
 
I said that it looks like junk-science, not that it is junk-science.

Here's why:

1. They make alot of claims without data to validate it.
2. It seems that there is an agenda here to cause a scare.
3. Nestle makes good chocolate.

;)
 
DanishDynamite said:
"This makes breastfeeding failure likely. "
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Bottle feeding and breast feeding are based on the same principle. You stick a hungry baby's lips to the nipple and they suck away.

JK
 
thaiboxerken said:
I said that it looks like junk-science, not that it is junk-science.

Here's why:

1. They make alot of claims without data to validate it.
2. It seems that there is an agenda here to cause a scare.
3. Nestle makes good chocolate.

;)
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I understand where you are coming from, but to me junk-science refers to an attempt at explaining some effect by scientific sounding means which have no relation to proper science. I don't see such attempts.
 
Jedi Knight:
Bottle feeding and breast feeding are based on the same principle. You stick a hungry baby's lips to the nipple and they suck away.

JK
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I asked for evidence, not old wives tales.
 
DanishDynamite said:
Jedi Knight:I asked for evidence, not old wives tales.
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how is that an old wives tale? clearly a bottle's nipple was modeled on a human nipple. and anyone who has seen an infant put against a lactating woman's breast knows that they "suck away" if they are pregnant. gosh, i never thought i would find myself defending JK.
 
EdipisReks said:


how is that an old wives tale? clearly a bottle's nipple was modeled on a human nipple. and anyone who has seen an infant put against a lactating woman's breast knows that they "suck away" if they are pregnant. gosh, i never thought i would find myself defending JK.
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lol

JK
 
EdipisReks said:


how is that an old wives tale? clearly a bottle's nipple was modeled on a human nipple. and anyone who has seen an infant put against a lactating woman's breast knows that they "suck away" if they are pregnant. gosh, i never thought i would find myself defending JK.
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It is an old wives tale in the sense that JK presents a view which sounds reasonable but which is unsubstantiated.

I simply asked for evidence which would, once and for all, counter the claim made.
 
I thought something rather like this happened in the early eighties in India: A breast-milk substitute was marketed, and then when mothers had gotten their babies onto it, the company jacked up the price and many starved.

Or am I crazy, remembering things that never took place??
 
Breastfeeding for an infant uses a different sucking motion than it does for a bottle. This is well documented, and most mothers who have used both methods can back it up.

The sucking reflex is both innate and learned. Infants know to purse their lips and 'suck' using their tongue whenever anything is put near their mouth, however depending on how the milk is expressed, the quantity etc. the sucking reflex can change slightly, varying the use of the tongue and the soft palate.

Breasts naturally 'squirt' milk out in a particular fashion. Babies learn how to suckle in the first few months to respond to this. Babies who are bottle fed and then breast fed tend not to make accomodation for this extra pressure (the reasons aren't fully understood, but they seem to involve a gag reflex apparently - according to the midwife at the hospital I worked at). Going from breast to bottle is often an easier transfer, although not always without difficulties.

While this article does seem to attack from a capitalist angle, I do see where it is going. I would be more worried about the mother's milk, than the baby's response to suckling. Milk changes as the feeding process goes on, and what the baby gets on day one is very different to what it gets at six months.

Athon
(JK, once again, try doing some homework rather than stating just what you assume is the truth)
 
So let me get this straight - Nestle trys to do somthing good by giving away free formula. And we're supposed to boycott them? Would you prefer they do nothing?

I don't routinely buy Nestle products (at least that I know of), but tomorrow I'm gonna search some out.
 
The Central Scrutinizer said:
So let me get this straight - Nestle trys to do somthing good by giving away free formula. And we're supposed to boycott them? Would you prefer they do nothing?

I don't routinely buy Nestle products (at least that I know of), but tomorrow I'm gonna search some out.
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I'm just curious here: What 'good' is it Nestle is trying do in the first place?

Is it 'good' to convince milk-producing mothers that they should rather feed their babies a mixture of powdered milk and whatever water they have access to? It seems to me nature had it all figured out already here .... :p
 
Yes, Nestle give away free formula at hospitals purely out of the goodness of their bottomless hearts. I believe it. Like I believe in Santa Claus.

I wonder does Nestle's forumula help contribute to the immune system of the baby? Breastfeeding does. Here is one link of many which tells you about it. Maybe Nestle baby formula comes with a complex set of antibiotics which boosts the infant's immune system- at no extra charge! Out of the goodness of their bottomless hearts!
 
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