Bombshell: Bin Laden worked for US till 9/11

[MikeW]

I'm honestly surprised to see a post like this by you, MikeW. If this information is new to you, look into it.

I'm sufficiently familiar with Elsässer to know that when he reaches for 9/11 he falls into very recognisable trutherspeak, like "the neoconservatives, grouped around Pearl, had written a document one year before September 11, according to which America had need of a catalyzing event similar to the attack on Pearl Harbor" (http://www.voltairenet.org/article143050.html).

From the same interview: "at the time of Kennedy’s murder, it is clear that the CIA was implicated". And re: our 7/7: "It is not clear that it was really the young Moslems from the suburbs of London that committed the attacks, as the police claim. There are other indications according to which the bombs were fixed under the trains."

In other words, he's the German Nafeez Ahmed. The appearance is all very scholarly. His books have lots of footnotes, I'm sure. Those who put him forward think he's a heavyweight, and he may have points to make about al Qaeda in the 1990's. But when it comes to 9/11, if you look closely then the cracks began to appear, and he's not convincing at all.

 

[R.Mackey]

L-3 has contracts with NASA, Ryan Mackey works for NASA, and Mackey is a prominent 9/11 debunker...

OMG!

Keep watching the skies!

 

[metamars]

An article on MPRI

Any opinions on Elsässer's research?

The Really Bad Dogs of War
by Srdja Trifkovic

The firm has claimed “more generals per square foot than in the Pentagon,” including Gen. Carl E. Vuono, the former Army chief of staff; Gen. Crosbie E. Saint, the former commander of the US Army in Europe; and Gen. Ron Griffith, the former Army vice chief of staff. There are also dozens of retired top-ranked generals and thousands of former military personnel, including elite special forces, on the firm’s books.

 

[metamars]

FBI attempts to block Edmonds' testimony

Her attorney is saying "nuh-huh". This should be interesting.....

Link

 

[beachnut]

The Really Bad Dogs of War
by Srdja Trifkovic

An article from when? October 10th, 2007?
You could have written the story yourself much earlier if you paid attention and could do rational research with a biased political flair. But you post an old story of an old story too late and off-topic derailing your own thread. Is that a standard tactic when you make an OP with false information do you derail later to a political piece on a firm that has nothing to do with 911 and your UBL worked for the US failure thread. You should stick with your OP hearsay piece that failed before embarking on a smokescreen to save the thread.

Yes you have posted a two year old article which refers to actions and deeds done before 2002. Good job with the author who took over 5 years to write his tripe and the last conflict killed dozens, albeit much more than I would like but gee whiz if you and the author took up fighting deaths on US roads you have 50,000 to try to save. Even lightning storms kill more than the last conflict mentioned in the article to save us all from something.

The insurgency in Macedonia (January – November 2001) was an armed conflict which began when the ethnic Albanian National Liberation Army (NLA) militant group attacked the security forces of the Republic of Macedonia at the beginning of January 2001. The conflict lasted throughout most of the year, although overall casualties remained limited to several dozen for either side, according to the sources from both of the sides in the conflict. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_Macedonian_War

Star Trek had an episode like this article describes. Now comes the JAQ section of my dirt dumb analysis! What does this have to do with the failed OP of UBL working for the US??? What did the pay the spoiled brat UBL?

 

[Baylor]

What does this have to do with the failed OP of UBL working for the US??? What did the pay the spoiled brat UBL?

That's the best part of having a religious zealot like UBL work for you; you don't have to pay him anything, just promise him more virgins and he'll do whatever you want. Allah guarantees 72, the good ole US of A will tag on a couple like part of a 401k. The U.S. even promised a few girls who knew what they were doing. According to U.S. records, he's up to 87 virgins and 3 MILFs.

 

[jacque]

Bush senior was not in Cuba at the time of JFK's assassination, nor was he in the CIA. He was one of several businessmen who agreed to cooperate with the CIA. He was not an agent.

I was only going by this.

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[jacque]

Ooops - how do I make that bigger?
it is on Tom Flocco's site but came from gunderson's files

 

[MikeW]

You linked to a thumbnail, maybe? Anyway, the original is at http://tomflocco.com/Docs/Jfk/HooverFbiMemo.htm

 

[metamars]

DOJ weighs in against Sibel testifying

Her attorney is saying "nuh-huh". This should be interesting.....

Link

A completely predictable update, from bradblog.

In short, the DoJ has informed the OEC that Edmonds has "not complied with the procedures for obtaining authorization from the FBI, her former employer, prior to making any disclosure relating to information that she acquired in the course of her work for the FBI. Therefore, she is not authorized to testify at the deposition."

Considering that Holder works for certified liar and Bush-imitator Obama, and, in spite of the fact that, about half a year on the job, shows little appetite* for prosecuting any of the Bush administration as war criminals (or referring them to the Hague for such purpose - I really don't know what the procedure is), it's a fair bet that Holder will continue keeping whatever Sibel knows out of the public view.

I think it's also a fair bet that Sibel has forwarded details - as much as she can reasonably remember - to other activists (that's the sense I got from an Daniel Ellsberg quote). You know, in case she has an "accident". Consequently, unless she's willing to go to jail**, I have a feeling this will just drag on. She's fairly young-ish, and seems in good health, so it's not like we're about to hear post-humous revelations, other than via the "accident" scenario.


* He's shown a little appetite for justice, unlike Obama, who despite some noises about lawbreakers all being held to the same standard, wants to "look forward" and is happy to let all the Bushies go free and make $150,000 speeches.

** Even if she is, can the FBI arrest her as soon as she is sworn in at a trial, but before she can actually say anything? I would expect that that's the case.

 

[T.A.M.]

I love it. Obama turns out to not be the great 9/11 truth savior, so now he is a "Bush Imitator".

Alex Jones for President 2012!!!

TAM

 

[TexasJack]

I love it. Obama turns out to not be the great 9/11 truth savior, so now he is a "Bush Imitator".

Alex Jones for President 2012!!!

TAM

Yes, comparing Bush to Obama is like comparing hawks with doves. It just demonstrates the lack of objectivity and the extremist views of truthers.

 

[gumboot]

Any opinions on Elsässer's research?

So this Lehman Brothers company (which is apparently actually OBL's super-sekrit band of international ninja-jihadis) attacked itself on 9/11?



You've flown way, way, way off the deep end this time.

 

[gumboot]

It adds to the many hints that "al-Qaeda" issn't controlled by ObL. See thread title, but of course it isn't that simple.

Um... if anything, all your "research" suggests is that the MPRI had nothing to do with 9/11, since their own people were essentially victims of the attack.

Given that you've failed to make a single connection between Al Qaeda and the MPRI, L-3 Communication, or the Lehman Brothers, your "research" isn't even a case of "connect the dots" but more "connect some dots and then claim they're connected to the toothbrush in my bathroom".

 

[metamars]

Idiotic

I love it. Obama turns out to not be the great 9/11 truth savior, so now he is a "Bush Imitator".

Alex Jones for President 2012!!!

TAM

Anybody who thought Obama would be a "great 9/11 truth savior" is an idiot. There's basically almost 0 support for a serious re-investigation in Congress, and it's been that way, for years. In this regard, it's obvious that the 911 Truth movement has been as big a failure as the peace movement. Hopefully members of both movements will wake up to the fact that we simply have to elect better people into office, and relying on pleading, once sellouts and liars have taken office, is a hopeless task. Because of gerrymandering and private campaign financing, incumbents have about an 85% chance of getting re-elected. That emboldens them to shaft the public on a regular basis. I've been chatting with a Ph.D. political scientist, lately, who told me that gerrymandering is virtually a taboo subject in poly sci departments in US universities. I was not shocked that our corrupt media would not print articles on such studies (or, God forbid, do serious investigative reporting). But I was shocked to hear that such studies are effectively suppressed, to a great extent.

(This is getting off the main topic, but anybody who wants some insights into how politics really works in our corrupted system, in terms of current events, can read the article "Rahm Goes Apesh*t On Liberals in the Veal Pen" at firedoglake.com and this.)

Even given the possibility of such a ridiculous assumption (Obama as "great 9/11 Truth savior) in somebody sufficiently idiotic, what kind of an uber idiot would equate that, alone, with Obama turning out to be a Bush imitator? Did you bother reading the "certified liar" link I provided?

Your post is idiotic, twice over.

 

[TexasJack]

What's idiotic is stating that Obama is a Bush imitator. A better comparison would be to compare you and the truth movement to Al Qaeda, both hold extremist views, and truthers apologize for the violent actions of Al Qaeda on 911. Peace movement my butt.

BTW, I know many Political Science professors, they are not afraid to lecture about gerrymandering, it is in many of the textbooks they use.

 

[BigAl]

gerrymandering is virtually a taboo subject in poly sci departments in US universities.

BS.

Idiot.

 

[metamars]

What's idiotic is stating that Obama is a Bush imitator. A better comparison would be to compare you and the truth movement to Al Qaeda, both hold extremist views, and truthers apologize for the violent actions of Al Qaeda on 911. Peace movement my butt.

BTW, I know many Political Science professors, they are not afraid to lecture about gerrymandering, it is in many of the textbooks they use.

Yes, and it's in the dictionary, too. But are they doing current research on the subject, and is it getting published? From what I understood of my source - a Ph.D. political scientist - that is not the case. (We're talking American universities and US gerrymandering).

OTOH, I just did a search in scholar.google.com, on "house of representatives" and "gerrymandering", for both 2000-2009. (1590 hits) and 1970 -1979 (224 hits). My source is retired, and perhaps was relating information pertinent to her graduate school days.... (She did work in academia for a while, but left it for the business world).

One of the hits from 2000-2009 has this to say:

Competition in U.S. House elections has been declining for more than 50 years and, based on both incumbent reelection rates and the percentage of close races, the 2002 and 2004 House elections were the least competitive of the postwar era.

Maybe it's getting more ink in academia since the problem is getting worse.

 

[BigAl]

OTOH, I just did a search in scholar.google.com, on "house of representatives" and "gerrymandering", for both 2000-2009. (1590 hits) and 1970 -1979 (224 hits).

We didn't have the Internets as metamars knows it in 1979. That might explain the low count for that search.

Because redistricting happens after a US census, the discussion of gerrymandering is very cyclical, at 10 year intervals. We are discussing it now where I live because our congressional district is going to change. Change always makes someone unhappy.

The idea that the discussion of gerrymandering is somehow suppressed anywhere is pure stupid.

 

[metamars]

The idea that the discussion of gerrymandering is somehow suppressed anywhere is pure stupid.

I said "effectively suppressed", and for a reason. I did question my source as to the nature of the effective suppression (which is my phraseology, not hers), and it has nothing to do with a cabal that sends out "thou shalt not" memos. People can figure out what's bad for their careers, even without such memos.

If you read Not Even Wrong and The Trouble with Physics, you will gain insights into how competing research to string theory gets effectively suppressed, again without "thou shalt not" memos being sent out by cabals. When Smolin, (author of The Trouble with Physics) wrote a paper, which he submitted to the Chronicle of Higher Education, detailing the problems of "me too" science (which is a function of the tribalism he describes in his book), his paper was rejected.

From "The Trouble with Physics", p. 345

They were willing to look at it, but they rejected it as soon as they read my draft. I was outraged: They were suppressing dissent! So I wrote them an unusually (for me) unpleasant e-mail questining their decision. They responded right away, telling me that the problem was not that the piece was radical - quite the opposite. Everything in it was well known and had been thoroughly aired, within the social sciences and the humanities. They sent me a pile of articles they had published in past years about power relations in academic decision making. I read them and quickly realized that it was only scientists who seem to be ignorant of these issues.

Now, if you want to argue that it wasn't at all bad for anybody's career, in the 1970's, to research gerrymandering, you'll have to argue with somebody else. I'm not a political scientist, much less one who worked as a poly sci academic or has any knowledge at all about, well, poly sci academic politics and sociology.

The general question of effective suppression of research (of various types) in academia is doubtless relevant to the specific questions of research into 911 events, the 911 truth community, and the lack of political standing of the 911 truth movement. But that is the subject of other threads.