Dr Adequate
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BIOLOGY???cogreslab said:
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I see Rolfe wants to do yet another denigratory piece.
His interpretation of blood cancer is apparently in contradiction with that of the mainstream science yet again.
Here are the main symptoms:
From www.cancerbacup.org.uk
This description is not incompatible with my argument that lack of oxygen is a prime cause of the metabolic changes which lead to cancer, however inconvenient that may be to the pharmaceutical industry, who peddle high cost chemotherapy products, many of which are ultimately ineffective. I suspect Rolfe is a part of that huge industry, whose ultimate aim is profit not curative treatment, and this is why he is using every means he can to suppress and denigrate these new and proven interventions. Take another look at the BJC clinical trial of last autumn, Rolfe. It spells the deathknell for the ineffective chemotherapeutic approaches of present treatments.
As for Rolfe's parading his IoB connections and querying my credentials yet again, this approach hardly adds to any scientific debate. I might equally well ask who would be so foolish as to ask Rolfe for his opinion about others, anyway, when he clearly allies himself to extremists.
His interpretation of blood cancer is apparently in contradiction with that of the mainstream science yet again.
Here are the main symptoms:
From www.cancerbacup.org.uk
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This description is not incompatible with my argument that lack of oxygen is a prime cause of the metabolic changes which lead to cancer, however inconvenient that may be to the pharmaceutical industry, who peddle high cost chemotherapy products, many of which are ultimately ineffective. I suspect Rolfe is a part of that huge industry, whose ultimate aim is profit not curative treatment, and this is why he is using every means he can to suppress and denigrate these new and proven interventions. Take another look at the BJC clinical trial of last autumn, Rolfe. It spells the deathknell for the ineffective chemotherapeutic approaches of present treatments.
As for Rolfe's parading his IoB connections and querying my credentials yet again, this approach hardly adds to any scientific debate. I might equally well ask who would be so foolish as to ask Rolfe for his opinion about others, anyway, when he clearly allies himself to extremists.
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Bioelectromagnetics is a whole science to itself, rather than a branch of biology? OK. In that case, the relevant question would be whether you have a degree in bioelectromagnetics...cogreslab said:
I'm not sure what you mean by that, or by any of your other bibble, but I shall if I like.
You are all FOOLS. You are not worthy. You cannot tie your shoelaces. You are CREATIONISTS and MAD INVENTORS. You BELIEVE IN NEW AGE BIBBLE. You are tossers. Only Dr Adequate is Adequate. Bow Down Before Me.
I like this guy, I may keep him to play with for a bit.
Rolfe
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Roger, I noticed you doing this a lot when I was reviewing the thread. Copying web pages and posting them with neither citation nor link, as if they were your own work. Well, this is against the forum rules. You can post only a part-quote of an article, and you must acknowledge the source, preferably with a link.cogreslab said:
Wise up, unless you want the admins on your case.
Now, that was an entirely unexceptionable, if simplified, summary of a particular class of leukaemia. Please continue to make a fool of yourself by pointing out in what way I misrepresented it.
I repeat, you mistake the clinical symptoms, the results of the disease, for the cause. The disease causes anaemia, which does cause a degree of tissue hypoxia. Now, remind us again how the hypoxia caused the disease?
Now, which "extremists" am I allied with? And I told you months ago which is my speciality, and that it involves zero retailing of medicines. (Damn, my purchases from our drug wholesaler are so low - a few syringes, needles, diagnostic odds and ends - that I can't even get a discount on the cat vaccines and parasitacides I buy for my own pet, and these often go out of date before I've used the whole pack!)
The Blessed Virgin Mary.
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cogreslab said:
Nice return Roger. Straight into evations and mud-slinging. We could play that way, but... are you SURE you wanna do that?
The EM educational thread is open and waiting for you. Anything you wanna know about EM fields?
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Roger, if you were capable of navigating this forum in an even semi-competent manner, you'd have found the "Science, Mathematics, Medicine and Technology" section. Which is where the discussion of scientific and medical subjects tends to happen. Why you chose to start this thread in the "Paranormal" section, then refuse to post anywhere else, I have no idea.cogreslab said:
Anyway, the study you refer to has already been discussed where such discussion belongs. I personally find the paper very significant, and wouldn't talk down the findings in any way. Even though it's yet to be absolutely confirmed, and nobody uses analogue phones any more. However, it had a big problem. Lack of any suggestion of dose/response effect. Incidence didn't seem to increase with increasing phone usage. This to me suggests there may be confounders which have yet to be teased out of the epidemiology.
Point being, though, there may very well be some risks from mobile phone use. And forgive me if I go on assuming that if there is, there will almost certainly be a dose/response effect. So, the more you use your phone, the greater the risk.
You yourself agreed with this in past posts, and suggested to Cleopatra (quite properly) that the best way to protect herself was to limit her use of her phone. 20 minutes a day, was it?
SO HOW THE BLOODY BLUE BLAZES CAN YOU POSSIBLY JUSTIFY SELLING OR PROMOTING OR ENDORSING CRANK DEVICES WHICH YOU CLAIM WILL "PROTECT" USERS FROM THIS DANGER??? Have you no conscience that people might buy these products and then proceed to talk all day on the pernicious things, lulled into a false sense of security, and so massively increase their risk of harm? What about parents who might be concerned about a child's use, but relent and allow prolonged usage because they believed the claims you publish or allow others to publish?
This is what this debate has been about from the start.
The Blessed Virgin Mary.
Hang on Rolfe.
WHICH YOU CLAIM WILL "PROTECT" USERS FROM THIS DANGER???
Since when did I make any such claim? I defend the right of any who bring up any means of protection to the putative damaging effects of say cellphone use, or powerlines for that matter, to have it assessed by third parties. We clearly need, as a society, to solve this apparent problem of increased incidence of brain tumours (inter alia) from cellphone use. The cellphone industry is equally engaged in this effort, by introducing speaker phone systems etc., though obviously they do not wish to concede their products are illegal by not labelling the risk on every handset.
In this case (Harmoniser) all our lab did was a simple in vitro trial. I made it clear that the results were not strong, and that more research would be necessary. OK This may be a woo woo device, or it may be the salvation of the cellphone user. My study doesnt provide the answer and I never claimed it does. I am being gradually persuaded nevertheless by the skeptics argument that perhaps we should remove this Harmoniser from our list of products until we see more proof. I hope readers may see the integrity in my attitude in first identifying the problem and then trying to find solutions.
Our own approach is that melatonin rich food supplements are radioprotective, and this is very evident from the peer reviewed scientific literature. We are developing one which can be bought OTC, and the only reason we removed the Asphalia references is that like any other responsible company we are presently in dialogue with the Borderline Division of MHRA (and have been for towards a year) as to an acceptable form of words. I note from the media that even the retail chain ASDA recently withdrew its text promoting a fruit as being a protection against cancer for exactly the same reason, namely that the regulations are not very clear on this point.
WHICH YOU CLAIM WILL "PROTECT" USERS FROM THIS DANGER???
Since when did I make any such claim? I defend the right of any who bring up any means of protection to the putative damaging effects of say cellphone use, or powerlines for that matter, to have it assessed by third parties. We clearly need, as a society, to solve this apparent problem of increased incidence of brain tumours (inter alia) from cellphone use. The cellphone industry is equally engaged in this effort, by introducing speaker phone systems etc., though obviously they do not wish to concede their products are illegal by not labelling the risk on every handset.
In this case (Harmoniser) all our lab did was a simple in vitro trial. I made it clear that the results were not strong, and that more research would be necessary. OK This may be a woo woo device, or it may be the salvation of the cellphone user. My study doesnt provide the answer and I never claimed it does. I am being gradually persuaded nevertheless by the skeptics argument that perhaps we should remove this Harmoniser from our list of products until we see more proof. I hope readers may see the integrity in my attitude in first identifying the problem and then trying to find solutions.
Our own approach is that melatonin rich food supplements are radioprotective, and this is very evident from the peer reviewed scientific literature. We are developing one which can be bought OTC, and the only reason we removed the Asphalia references is that like any other responsible company we are presently in dialogue with the Borderline Division of MHRA (and have been for towards a year) as to an acceptable form of words. I note from the media that even the retail chain ASDA recently withdrew its text promoting a fruit as being a protection against cancer for exactly the same reason, namely that the regulations are not very clear on this point.
And for those who didnt read Friday's news:
POWER LINES CANCER LINK
Sky News has learned that the Government has known for three years that high voltage power lines double the risk of childhood cancer.
A study for the Department of Health shows children living within 100m of overhead cables are more likely to suffer from leukaemia.
Officials were alerted to the findings three years ago - but the public has been kept in the dark, a Sky News exclusive report has found.
Linda Tatton's son David died of leukaemia. She has always blamed high voltage power lines that passed within a few metres of his bedroom.
She told of David's suffering and added: "If it's through power cables somebody's got a lot to answer for... a lot."
And now details of a massive study that have been kept under wraps by the Department of Health confirm that children living near overhead cables are twice as likely to develop the blood cancer.
National Grid Transco said it is "totally committed to the safety of the public".
But in a statement, a spokesperson for the company added: "It would be completely inappropriate for us to comment on any study until it is completed, has undergone scientific peer review and is published in the scientific literature."
Seven years ago, in response to conflicting research on the risks of power lines, the Department of Health ordered the biggest ever study of its kind.
Oxford scientists checked the records of 35,000 children diagnosed with cancer and studied how close they lived to a cable.
The research shows there is a 100m danger zone around high voltage lines and that children under 15 had double the normal risk of leukaemia.
It is estimated that powerlines might account for 20-30 of the 500 cases of childhood leukaemia in Britain each year. They are also suspected of causing other forms of cancer and miscarriages.
The Department of Health says it is up to the individual researchers to publish their findings. People living near powerlines say ministers have a duty to protect public health - and an official safety warning is long overdue.
So who was among you who denied this link? SKY NEWS by the way was the source of the Dreaper scandal.
POWER LINES CANCER LINK
Sky News has learned that the Government has known for three years that high voltage power lines double the risk of childhood cancer.
A study for the Department of Health shows children living within 100m of overhead cables are more likely to suffer from leukaemia.
Officials were alerted to the findings three years ago - but the public has been kept in the dark, a Sky News exclusive report has found.
Linda Tatton's son David died of leukaemia. She has always blamed high voltage power lines that passed within a few metres of his bedroom.
She told of David's suffering and added: "If it's through power cables somebody's got a lot to answer for... a lot."
And now details of a massive study that have been kept under wraps by the Department of Health confirm that children living near overhead cables are twice as likely to develop the blood cancer.
National Grid Transco said it is "totally committed to the safety of the public".
But in a statement, a spokesperson for the company added: "It would be completely inappropriate for us to comment on any study until it is completed, has undergone scientific peer review and is published in the scientific literature."
Seven years ago, in response to conflicting research on the risks of power lines, the Department of Health ordered the biggest ever study of its kind.
Oxford scientists checked the records of 35,000 children diagnosed with cancer and studied how close they lived to a cable.
The research shows there is a 100m danger zone around high voltage lines and that children under 15 had double the normal risk of leukaemia.
It is estimated that powerlines might account for 20-30 of the 500 cases of childhood leukaemia in Britain each year. They are also suspected of causing other forms of cancer and miscarriages.
The Department of Health says it is up to the individual researchers to publish their findings. People living near powerlines say ministers have a duty to protect public health - and an official safety warning is long overdue.
So who was among you who denied this link? SKY NEWS by the way was the source of the Dreaper scandal.
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Uhhh, Roger, perhaps YOU tell us who denied that link. Most of this discussion has been about your devices and your dupious knowledge of electromagnetics. Your claims that the electrical fields were to blame, not the magnetic. This new study does not support that claim.
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Normally, I find conspiracy theories amusing, but this is disgusting. You are seriouly suggesting that Rolfe is part of a vast evil conspiracy to let people die of an agonising disease, for profit. You do not explain two things:cogreslab said:
(1) What's in it for Rolfe?
(2) At what crossroads did Rolfe sell his soul to Satan and all his demonic pixies?
In any case, it seems to me that this is more or less the end of the conversation. If you're going to write off any information you get from anyone with real medical knowledge as the lies of a hideous, sadistic and macabre conspiracy, then there's no point in discussing the matter with you further.
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And you'd believe him, although you think he conspires to let people die an agonising death? What's one more lie to a person like that?cogreslab said:
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Excuse me for being less than impressed. That claim has been on your site all the time and we have discussed it several times before; in fact it has been part of the basis for my calling you a liar and a fraud. It is hardly convincing that you act as if you just discovered it there.cogreslab said:
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Quite the contrary, Roger. You are showing you serious LACK of integrety here. Because you DID NOT identify the problem, you put that thing up for sale, while admittedly NOT knowing whether it worked or not! How is that for integrety?cogreslab said:
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