Bioelectromagnetics
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The reference provided is about a 900bp sequence that appears to confer sensitivity to electromagnetic fields. The claims you were making were that:
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I think for the first quote you are misrepresenting the reference and the second quote is not supported by the reference. I'll try and look in more detail later
PJ
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I think for the first quote you are misrepresenting the reference and the second quote is not supported by the reference. I'll try and look in more detail later
PJ
Just to say I got back from the excellent Gordon Research Conference (hard work to understand the papers, since many were outside my field, but worth the effort) to find a deluge of work. I have to go to Serbia on Saturday, so will be away for a further few days, then maybe we can resume the topics under discussion.
Once you meet the people of this forum, you cannot resist their charm, I can relate to this feeling Roger, it seems that you cannot live without Hans and Pragmatist 
Hey, stop by Athens, it's a hot spot rigt now and many Welsh people are in charge of the British team. I know because I have already drunk some whiskeys with them.
Hey, stop by Athens, it's a hot spot rigt now and many Welsh people are in charge of the British team. I know because I have already drunk some whiskeys with them.
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Cleopatra said:Once you meet the people of this forum, you cannot resist their charm, I can relate to this feeling Roger, it seems that you cannot live without Hans and Pragmatist
Hey, stop by Athens, it's a hot spot rigt now and many Welsh people are in charge of the British team. I know because I have already drunk some whiskeys with them.
That reminds me, we need to teach Rog some electromagnetics!
Anyone notice how this thread now belongs to "Linda"? Has Roger had a sex change or is it part of a conspiracy?
EHocking
Penultimate Amazing
Has everyone lost interest in this topic?cogreslab said:
I'd still like to see Coghill Lab's review of their "experiments"...
Hi Hans!
No, I have not abandoned this site. Finally found some time to return to this forum after my Serbian visit, the preparation of six posters for the Childhood Leukaemia Conference in London 6-10 September, and and the organisation and delivery of a conference at the RSM last Saturday on Electrosensitivity in Human Beings. the website for the childhood leukaemia conference is www.leukaemiaconference.org where you can see all the papers. At least one day was devoted to possible EMF causes for the disorder.
OK let's start on the electromagnetics course. Were you not going to set up a separate site for this, Hans/Prag? You might note that one of the prizewinning posters at the Conference (from Elizabeth Ainsbury at Bristol Univ was about the question of elliptical fields. Maybe we could start by a closer look at this issue?
No, I have not abandoned this site. Finally found some time to return to this forum after my Serbian visit, the preparation of six posters for the Childhood Leukaemia Conference in London 6-10 September, and and the organisation and delivery of a conference at the RSM last Saturday on Electrosensitivity in Human Beings. the website for the childhood leukaemia conference is www.leukaemiaconference.org where you can see all the papers. At least one day was devoted to possible EMF causes for the disorder.
OK let's start on the electromagnetics course. Were you not going to set up a separate site for this, Hans/Prag? You might note that one of the prizewinning posters at the Conference (from Elizabeth Ainsbury at Bristol Univ was about the question of elliptical fields. Maybe we could start by a closer look at this issue?
Hans said:
"Because it is too weak for your instrument to measure in a simple set-up. You need to feed the cable through a balloon transformer and use an instrument with an amplifier. But believe you me, it's there".
Hans where can I get a balloon transfomer, so as to carry out some tests on these fields in our lab??
"Because it is too weak for your instrument to measure in a simple set-up. You need to feed the cable through a balloon transformer and use an instrument with an amplifier. But believe you me, it's there".
Hans where can I get a balloon transfomer, so as to carry out some tests on these fields in our lab??
EHocking
Penultimate Amazing
Great, when are you going to deliver on this promise from the 1st July?cogreslab said:
How long does it take to look up one of your own experiment reports?
EHocking said:
What, do you need a GANTT chart for this? Look, its complicated. First you have to look at the original data. Second, you have to figure out how you "massaged" them the first time around. Then you have to figure out how to publish a correction that doesn't raise more questions than it answers. Work work work work work work work. Hello, boys, did you miss me?
EHocking
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I've already got 2 spreadsheets of the "data" in place - a Gantt chart would be a PoP...BillHoyt said:
Queried data errors in second Harmoniser report.
We do not appear to have ever published the second harmonmiser report on our website, having been given permission only for the first one, as far as I have been able to ascertain. It would be helpful if you could point me to the data which has presumably been made public from another source, so I can take a closer look at it. It may be that these so called errors are nothing to do with us.
However, to be honest, in this thread I have been concentrating on issues which imho are far more important , taking the view that Hock's question owes more to a determination to pick on trivail points rather than to address the main issues I have raised here, e.g. the adverse health effects from very weak EMFs and the persistent efforts of the power utilities and the telecoms industry to ignore them.
So far, more than appropriate attention has focused on abusive comments, trivialities, and irrelevancies such as whether my biology degree in the 1960s is pertinent to modern bioelectromagnetics. Whilst I am fully open-minded to criticism and education, I do want to concentrate on these main issues, so will not be deflected from that ultimate objective.
Accordingly, for those who saw the programme on cellphone health hazards on the BBC last week featuring yours truly, it is clear that the public and particularly young people are not being made aware of these hazards, even though this was the advice of Bill Stewart (who talked extensively with me over several dinners during the Conference).
We do not appear to have ever published the second harmonmiser report on our website, having been given permission only for the first one, as far as I have been able to ascertain. It would be helpful if you could point me to the data which has presumably been made public from another source, so I can take a closer look at it. It may be that these so called errors are nothing to do with us.
However, to be honest, in this thread I have been concentrating on issues which imho are far more important , taking the view that Hock's question owes more to a determination to pick on trivail points rather than to address the main issues I have raised here, e.g. the adverse health effects from very weak EMFs and the persistent efforts of the power utilities and the telecoms industry to ignore them.
So far, more than appropriate attention has focused on abusive comments, trivialities, and irrelevancies such as whether my biology degree in the 1960s is pertinent to modern bioelectromagnetics. Whilst I am fully open-minded to criticism and education, I do want to concentrate on these main issues, so will not be deflected from that ultimate objective.
Accordingly, for those who saw the programme on cellphone health hazards on the BBC last week featuring yours truly, it is clear that the public and particularly young people are not being made aware of these hazards, even though this was the advice of Bill Stewart (who talked extensively with me over several dinners during the Conference).
cogreslab said:
It is not a question of whether the report has been published on the web or not. It is only a question of you living up to your promise to "look into" the report.
You've had since July 1st. That's 77 days ago.
How could you possibly "look into" a report and get back to us, if the results were not made public?
If you - now - admit that the results were not allowed to be publicized, then you admit that your promise was a lie.
If you cannot present the results, then you haven't looked into the report at all.
Which is it, Roger? Are you a liar, or is your word worth nothing?
Please check:
A) Roger Coghill is a liar.
B) Roger Coghill cannot be trusted.
A or B, Roger?
Stop churning out BS, Hans, and tell me where you found the queried stats so I can look into the issue.
Hi Cleo: Any news on the Coaster test? And you also said you would give us your view on my Atlantis work. Any comments on that? Seems the Greeks did a good job with the Games organisation!
Hi Cleo: Any news on the Coaster test? And you also said you would give us your view on my Atlantis work. Any comments on that? Seems the Greeks did a good job with the Games organisation!
For those who were arguing about the issue of rising leukaemia in children Michel Coleman's paper at the Leukaemia Conference seems to settle the issue: It is rising.
For those arguing against any link with electrification, Sam Milham's paper seems pretty conclusive too: It is associated.
I copy Sam's abstract below, to encourage this thread to visit the Leukaemia Conference site and read such things for themselves.
Residential Electrification and the Emergence of the Childhood Leukemia Peak
S. Milham* and E.M. Ossiander
Washington State Department of Health, Olympia WA.
*Correspondence to: S. Milham MD, 2318 Gravelly Beach Loop NW, Olympia WA 98502 USA.
Phone: 1 360 866 0256 E-mail: smilham2@comcast.net.
A peak in childhood leukemia, ages two through four, emerged de novo in the 1920's in the United Kingdom and slightly later in the United States (US). In 1920, half of urban and rural US non-farm homes had electric service compared to 1.6% of farm homes. Electrification in US rural and farm areas lagged behind urban areas until 1956. In recent years, childhood leukemia has been associated with residential magnetic fields. Using US Census Bureau data for residential electrification by state, single year of age leukemia mortality and population data ages zero through four, states with over 75% of electrified residences in 1928-1932 showed increasing leukemia mortality for single years of age 0-4, while states with electrification levels below 75% showed a decreasing trend with age (p<0.009). During 1949-1951, all states showed a peak in leukemia mortality at ages 2-4. At ages 0-1, leukemia mortality was not related to residential electrification levels. At ages 2-4, there was a 24% (95% confidence interval (CI), 8%-41%) increase in leukemia mortality for a 10% increase in percent of homes served by electricity. Common acute lymphoblastic leukaemia (cALL) is solely responsible for the peak of childhood leukemia between ages two and five. The authors conclude that the childhood leukemia peak is due to electrification and that 75% of all childhood acute lymphoblastic leukemia and 60% of all childhood leukemia may be preventable[B/].
For those arguing against any link with electrification, Sam Milham's paper seems pretty conclusive too: It is associated.
I copy Sam's abstract below, to encourage this thread to visit the Leukaemia Conference site and read such things for themselves.
Residential Electrification and the Emergence of the Childhood Leukemia Peak
S. Milham* and E.M. Ossiander
Washington State Department of Health, Olympia WA.
*Correspondence to: S. Milham MD, 2318 Gravelly Beach Loop NW, Olympia WA 98502 USA.
Phone: 1 360 866 0256 E-mail: smilham2@comcast.net.
A peak in childhood leukemia, ages two through four, emerged de novo in the 1920's in the United Kingdom and slightly later in the United States (US). In 1920, half of urban and rural US non-farm homes had electric service compared to 1.6% of farm homes. Electrification in US rural and farm areas lagged behind urban areas until 1956. In recent years, childhood leukemia has been associated with residential magnetic fields. Using US Census Bureau data for residential electrification by state, single year of age leukemia mortality and population data ages zero through four, states with over 75% of electrified residences in 1928-1932 showed increasing leukemia mortality for single years of age 0-4, while states with electrification levels below 75% showed a decreasing trend with age (p<0.009). During 1949-1951, all states showed a peak in leukemia mortality at ages 2-4. At ages 0-1, leukemia mortality was not related to residential electrification levels. At ages 2-4, there was a 24% (95% confidence interval (CI), 8%-41%) increase in leukemia mortality for a 10% increase in percent of homes served by electricity. Common acute lymphoblastic leukaemia (cALL) is solely responsible for the peak of childhood leukemia between ages two and five. The authors conclude that the childhood leukemia peak is due to electrification and that 75% of all childhood acute lymphoblastic leukemia and 60% of all childhood leukemia may be preventable[B/].
On 17 July Hans posted this reply to my agreement to his proposed tutorial website (see below):
To Hans: First yes, please set up the thread you suggest. I am very grateful and the first to acknowledge I do not have any good knowledge of electrical engineering except what I have gleaned from textbooks and articles, with no way of knowing their competence or validity: you saw already one example where I correctly quoted (in my ignorance) from a radio engineering textbook which was I understand out of date and wrong.
"OK, will do, but I'm on holiday, so wait a week or so".
Hmmmm. That was two months ago, Hans: quite a long holiday, eh?!
To Hans: First yes, please set up the thread you suggest. I am very grateful and the first to acknowledge I do not have any good knowledge of electrical engineering except what I have gleaned from textbooks and articles, with no way of knowing their competence or validity: you saw already one example where I correctly quoted (in my ignorance) from a radio engineering textbook which was I understand out of date and wrong.
"OK, will do, but I'm on holiday, so wait a week or so".
Hmmmm. That was two months ago, Hans: quite a long holiday, eh?!
EHocking
Penultimate Amazing
Irony is obviously something that's not in your dictionary?cogreslab said:
" have to go to Serbia on Saturday, so will be away for a further few days, then maybe we can resume the topics under discussion.
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On the contrary, my dear Watson, on the contrary. According to Swedish studies 60-80 children fall ill in leukaemia each year, and this number has been stable for several decades. A side note is that most of these children can today be cured.cogreslab said:
Also, Sweden is far more electrified than the US.
No, leukaemia cases are not rising!