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Just thought that I would add my thoughts to this discussion, and I will no doubt get debunked.
The impact of a Harmoniser on a person can be seen by looking at the persons aura. The Harmoniser itself has an aura and then it is placed near the human body the positive impact on the human aura can be viewed. Likewise when a device that emits EMF, such as an operating mobile phone, is put near the human body the negative impact on the aura can also be viewed.
Now I would like to think that this won’t generate into a discussion on whether there is an aura around people, plants, water and devices containing water, or whether people can see them. That should be a given. So to prove that they work, just find someone who can see aura, try asking any child under 7 years of age.
There is another test than can be done with a harmonier; the lemon test. Take a lemon, cut it in half, put one half next to a harmoniser and the other half some distance away. After 10 minutes do a taste test, even better do a PH test.
Regarding symbols, and in this case the double spiral of the harmonisers. All symbols put off an energy, some more than others. A simple test is to draw the twin spiral shape on a piece of paper and see if you can feel it by holding your hand over it. I find around 20% of people I test can feel it with a higher percentage being woman. Once you have identified someone who can feel it, then write the words love and hate on two pieces of paper and then placing them face down ask the person if they can feel a difference. Interesting test to conduct. Hence the origin of tatttos.
Just thought that I would add my thoughts to this discussion, and I will no doubt get debunked.
The impact of a Harmoniser on a person can be seen by looking at the persons aura. The Harmoniser itself has an aura and then it is placed near the human body the positive impact on the aura can be viewed. Likewise when a device that emits EMF, such as an operating mobile phone, is put near the human body the negative impact on the aura can also be viewed.
Now I would like to think that this won’t generate into a discussion on whether there is an aura around people, plants, water and devices containing water, or whether people can see them. That should be a given. So to prove that they work, just find someone who can see aura, try asking any child under 7 years of age.
There is another test than can be done with a harmonier; the lemon test. Take a lemon, cut it in half, put one half next to a harmoniser and the other half some distance away. After 10 minutes do a taste test, even better do a PH test.
Regarding symbols, and in this case the double spiral of the harmonisers. All symbols put off an energy, some more than others. A simple test is to draw the twin spiral shape on a piece of paper and see if you can feel it by holding your hand over it. I find around 20% of people I test can feel it with a higher percentage being woman. Once you have identified someone who can feel it, then write the words love and hate on two pieces of paper and then placing them face down ask the person if they can feel a difference. Interesting test to conduct. Hence the origin of tatttos.
The impact of a Harmoniser on a person can be seen by looking at the persons aura. The Harmoniser itself has an aura and then it is placed near the human body the positive impact on the human aura can be viewed. Likewise when a device that emits EMF, such as an operating mobile phone, is put near the human body the negative impact on the aura can also be viewed.
Now I would like to think that this won’t generate into a discussion on whether there is an aura around people, plants, water and devices containing water, or whether people can see them. That should be a given. So to prove that they work, just find someone who can see aura, try asking any child under 7 years of age.
There is another test than can be done with a harmonier; the lemon test. Take a lemon, cut it in half, put one half next to a harmoniser and the other half some distance away. After 10 minutes do a taste test, even better do a PH test.
Regarding symbols, and in this case the double spiral of the harmonisers. All symbols put off an energy, some more than others. A simple test is to draw the twin spiral shape on a piece of paper and see if you can feel it by holding your hand over it. I find around 20% of people I test can feel it with a higher percentage being woman. Once you have identified someone who can feel it, then write the words love and hate on two pieces of paper and then placing them face down ask the person if they can feel a difference. Interesting test to conduct. Hence the origin of tatttos.
Just thought that I would add my thoughts to this discussion, and I will no doubt get debunked.
The impact of a Harmoniser on a person can be seen by looking at the persons aura. The Harmoniser itself has an aura and then it is placed near the human body the positive impact on the aura can be viewed. Likewise when a device that emits EMF, such as an operating mobile phone, is put near the human body the negative impact on the aura can also be viewed.
Now I would like to think that this won’t generate into a discussion on whether there is an aura around people, plants, water and devices containing water, or whether people can see them. That should be a given. So to prove that they work, just find someone who can see aura, try asking any child under 7 years of age.
There is another test than can be done with a harmonier; the lemon test. Take a lemon, cut it in half, put one half next to a harmoniser and the other half some distance away. After 10 minutes do a taste test, even better do a PH test.
Regarding symbols, and in this case the double spiral of the harmonisers. All symbols put off an energy, some more than others. A simple test is to draw the twin spiral shape on a piece of paper and see if you can feel it by holding your hand over it. I find around 20% of people I test can feel it with a higher percentage being woman. Once you have identified someone who can feel it, then write the words love and hate on two pieces of paper and then placing them face down ask the person if they can feel a difference. Interesting test to conduct. Hence the origin of tatttos.
Easy ladies and gentlemen! 
Welcome to the forum Carla. You might want to start a new thread about the topics you bring( the relation between EMF and aura ) into the discussion where you will explain to us in details the experiment with the lemon because we wouldn't want to derail the thread.
In fact, we won't let anybody derail this thread.
Please start a new thread.
Thanks!
Welcome to the forum Carla. You might want to start a new thread about the topics you bring( the relation between EMF and aura ) into the discussion where you will explain to us in details the experiment with the lemon because we wouldn't want to derail the thread.
In fact, we won't let anybody derail this thread.
Please start a new thread.
Thanks!
I think my posting is very relevant to the thread, at least from my reading from ~page 46 onwards and the posting of Coghill + responses. The lemon test is using the same device that is in discussion, although not EMF related.
Oh, and thanks for the welcome.
Oh, and thanks for the welcome.
Carla,
This really should be in a spearate thread but nevermind
Conducting the lemon test:
If the testing is going to be subjective (i.e. taste test) then it really should be done double blind. Someone prepares the lemon halves, someone else labels them then they're assigned to someone who doesn't know which is which. The other thing, persumably tasting one half of a lemon should have an effect on your taste buds for the second half so the two lemon halves should be randomised (as to which gets tasted first). Clearly many tests should be run.
If the test is more objective measuring pH (preumably using a probe, but dosen't this have to be immersed ?) then I suspect there is less scope for error but a blinded approach should still be adopted to avoid observer bias. Presumably the pH levels should be measured before and after for the lemon halves and compared to the finishing reading. There should also I presume be control lemons who are halved, placed a distance apart but nowhere near a harmoniser to see how their pH changes over time.
How should the pH vary ? Should the harmonised lemon halves have a lower or higher pH than their unharmonised bretheren ?
This really should be in a spearate thread but nevermind
Conducting the lemon test:
If the testing is going to be subjective (i.e. taste test) then it really should be done double blind. Someone prepares the lemon halves, someone else labels them then they're assigned to someone who doesn't know which is which. The other thing, persumably tasting one half of a lemon should have an effect on your taste buds for the second half so the two lemon halves should be randomised (as to which gets tasted first). Clearly many tests should be run.
If the test is more objective measuring pH (preumably using a probe, but dosen't this have to be immersed ?) then I suspect there is less scope for error but a blinded approach should still be adopted to avoid observer bias. Presumably the pH levels should be measured before and after for the lemon halves and compared to the finishing reading. There should also I presume be control lemons who are halved, placed a distance apart but nowhere near a harmoniser to see how their pH changes over time.
How should the pH vary ? Should the harmonised lemon halves have a lower or higher pH than their unharmonised bretheren ?
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Wow! Enter the cl... sorry, the entertainment assistants.
Wow, Roger! With friends like carla, you don't need enemies.
Hans
carla said:Just thought that I would add my thoughts to this discussion, and I will no doubt get debunked.
That does not count as premonition.
The impact of a Harmoniser on a person can be seen by looking at the persons aura.
What is an aura? Can you provide evidence for the existence of aura?
The Harmoniser itself has an aura and then it is placed near the human body the positive impact on the human aura can be viewed. Likewise when a device that emits EMF, such as an operating mobile phone, is put near the human body the negative impact on the aura can also be viewed.
Please explain how auras are observed, I would like to veryfy that observation (I don't have a harmonizer, but I have a mobile phone).
Now I would like to think that this won’t generate into a discussion on whether there is an aura around people, plants, water and devices containing water, or whether people can see them.
Of course it will. Your premonition failed you here.
That should be a given.
Why should that be a given?
So to prove that they work, just find someone who can see aura, try asking any child under 7 years of age.
Small childeren are not the most reliable observers that exist.
There is another test than can be done with a harmonier; the lemon test. Take a lemon, cut it in half, put one half next to a harmoniser and the other half some distance away. After 10 minutes do a taste test, even better do a PH test.
Are you claiming that the harmonizer can change the PH of a lemon? That is a testable claim. Perhaps you will do the test and report the results here? I might purchase a harmonizer (unless I can persuade Roger to lend me one) and repeat the experiment.
Regarding symbols, and in this case the double spiral of the harmonisers. All symbols put off an energy, some more than others.
What kind of energy, and where do they get it from?
A simple test is to draw the twin spiral shape on a piece of paper and see if you can feel it by holding your hand over it. I find around 20% of people I test can feel it with a higher percentage being woman. Once you have identified someone who can feel it, then write the words love and hate on two pieces of paper and then placing them face down ask the person if they can feel a difference. Interesting test to conduct. Hence the origin of tatttos.
Just thought that I would add my thoughts to this discussion, and I will no doubt get debunked.
Well, if you can repeat this in controlled conditions, you may have a million $ coming your way
**Snipped, repeat of earlier nonsense.**
Wow, Roger! With friends like carla, you don't need enemies.
Hans
Hans,
“What is an aura? Can you provide evidence for the existence of aura?” Do some research.
“Please explain how auras are observed, I would like to veryfy that observation” teach yourself to see aura, or find someone who hasn’t unlearnt it.
“Are you claiming that the harmonizer can change the PH of a lemon?” Yes, you will find that the PH shifts towards neutral. In the tests I have done it was a 0.2 shift after around 10 minutes.
“That is a testable claim.” Yes, has been repeated many times by many people.
“Perhaps you will do the test and report the results here?”, Can’t be bothered, been there proved it to myself, don’t really feel a need to prove it to others, but happy to pass on the info for those open minded professional skeptics who may like to investigate a phenomena and establish why. Claiming to be skeptical doesn’t not preclude one from the undertaking objective investigation.
“Well, if you can repeat this in controlled conditions, you may have a million $ coming your way” Why, it is just someone feeling etheric energy? This does not fall within the conditions of the million dollar prize, its not “paranormal, supernatural, or occult power or event.”
“What is an aura? Can you provide evidence for the existence of aura?” Do some research.
“Please explain how auras are observed, I would like to veryfy that observation” teach yourself to see aura, or find someone who hasn’t unlearnt it.
“Are you claiming that the harmonizer can change the PH of a lemon?” Yes, you will find that the PH shifts towards neutral. In the tests I have done it was a 0.2 shift after around 10 minutes.
“That is a testable claim.” Yes, has been repeated many times by many people.
“Perhaps you will do the test and report the results here?”, Can’t be bothered, been there proved it to myself, don’t really feel a need to prove it to others, but happy to pass on the info for those open minded professional skeptics who may like to investigate a phenomena and establish why. Claiming to be skeptical doesn’t not preclude one from the undertaking objective investigation.
“Well, if you can repeat this in controlled conditions, you may have a million $ coming your way” Why, it is just someone feeling etheric energy? This does not fall within the conditions of the million dollar prize, its not “paranormal, supernatural, or occult power or event.”
The Don,
The reason the lemon test is relevant is that it is related to the impact of a device with a high etheric energy field on an organism, whether it be man or fruit, both have a high water content.
Why does the pH of lemon juice shift to normal when exposed to a strong etheric field. Good question!
Why does the pH of water change, as does its conductivity?
Man is 70% water, obtain the answers to the above and perhaps we might start to understand how a strong etheric field impacts a human, and the converse, how a strong EMF field has a negative impact. Perhaps there is something to contemplate here: http://www.hado.net/
Finally I’ve done both subjective and objective tests, although in both cases the lemon halves were prepared as you describe. I'm not a scientists, but an engineer and therefore do apply some procedure.
The reason the lemon test is relevant is that it is related to the impact of a device with a high etheric energy field on an organism, whether it be man or fruit, both have a high water content.
Why does the pH of lemon juice shift to normal when exposed to a strong etheric field. Good question!
Why does the pH of water change, as does its conductivity?
Man is 70% water, obtain the answers to the above and perhaps we might start to understand how a strong etheric field impacts a human, and the converse, how a strong EMF field has a negative impact. Perhaps there is something to contemplate here: http://www.hado.net/
Finally I’ve done both subjective and objective tests, although in both cases the lemon halves were prepared as you describe. I'm not a scientists, but an engineer and therefore do apply some procedure.
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Bit of a derail there by Carla, maybe she can use a 7 year old to confirm the existence of Santa Claus, he is commonly seen by that age group.
However back to the thread
cogreslab said:
Even i've got the answer to this one now, electric fields don't penetrate into the body, in fact internally generated electric fields (from for example muscles) are greater than that which pentrates into the body from any external electric field normally encountered. So how do electric fields that are normally encountered affect the human body? It taken as read i believe that if you have a strong enough electric field it does affect living organisms.
However back to the thread
cogreslab said:
Even i've got the answer to this one now, electric fields don't penetrate into the body, in fact internally generated electric fields (from for example muscles) are greater than that which pentrates into the body from any external electric field normally encountered. So how do electric fields that are normally encountered affect the human body? It taken as read i believe that if you have a strong enough electric field it does affect living organisms.
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cogreslab said:Great, Hans!
Finally a little science at the end of the gratuitiously offensive language:
Roger, seriously: You are getting the language you ask for. I'm a very patient man, and I have tried hard to keep our discussion on the scientific level. -- And I'm always ready to let bygones be bygones and take it up again. It is entirely your choice.
*Snipped, list of questions*
OK. Not necessarily in the same order:
1. What was wrong with the childhood leukaemia study; how would you have done it?
- Poor selection of test groups, primarily no certainty that test group and control group were comparable.
- Poorly defined measuring procedures. The test setup was very likely to influence the results.
- Lack of blinding for those who measured. This is obviously very difficult t oobtain, but then the problem must be mitigated in some other way.
- No measuring of magnetic component. Since your claim is that the two are independent, any conclusion stands and falls with whether the magnetic component was there or not (otherwise that might as well be a putative cause).
- The design of the study does not enable you to show causation, only at best correlation.
I don't know exactly how I would have done it. I expect I would put more emphasis on positions andcalculations and less on measurements. Or perhaps create a databese of generic field levels independent in the actual groups. This would require larger test groups but would do away with several confounders, including blinding.
2. Poor stats in Harmoniser studies: The data you saw were two replications both with the same result. As well as other evidence from different sources.
No. According to your report, the data was from one study. The problem was, of course, the n=1 sample plan. This does not enable you to draw the stastistical conclusions you include in the report. And neither would an N=2 plan. The absolute minimum to establish a normal distribution is N=3, but the confidence levels in the measurements in your study would probably require more.
3. Mechanisms: Electric fields create a force which affects ion behaviour.
But external electrical fields do not enter the body (despite your continuous claim to the contrary)
Plenty of variants on that theme, e.g altering the local ionisation density by varying ionisation electron tracks; or e.g. Altering the degeneracy of ions involved in in a bond breaking event, thereby affecting the recombination probability.
All these mechanisms exist but require quite strong fields.
Alteration of spin state preventing recombination and therefore increasing the probability of an external reaction.
Spin? In ions? Rubbish.
4. I don't dismiss electromagnetic studies, only say that magnetic epi studies do not reveal the bio-active parameter.
They reveal lack of correlation with the presense of installations and morbidity. They show that there probably is no bio-active parameter. It is like you say below: It is more important to show if there is a correlation that to find the mechanism. The consequence is that when no correlation can be shown, it becomes irrelevant to look for a mechanism.
5. I have no need to demonstrate any mechanism regarding the Harmoniser, only its efficacy.
That is true, but you have failed to show its efficacy. And you admit you don't have any idea of the mechanism. No problem with that. The problem is that you advertize it as having a specific function, on your website you make a claim of an efficacy you cannot present any evidence for, experimentally or theoretically. With regard to your current scientific attitude, I shall refrain from reiterating what that makes you
If we knew the mechanism of everything we would have no need for experimental investigation.
I disagree, but that is another matter.
Edited to add: OK, as far as I'm concerned, you have one iota of credibility on loan, no security. Don't squander it by making even one diversion, now.
Hans
Hans,
Like many forums, this one appears to contain those who find it easy to criticise others, but hard to provide some intelligent contribution to a discussion.
Regarding aura, why would I discuss something with someone who by their own admission doesn’t know what it is?
If you are going to quote another’s post at least do it correctly and accurately. Further, if you don’t have anything intelligent to say in response, then perhaps you should consider saying nothing.
Like many forums, this one appears to contain those who find it easy to criticise others, but hard to provide some intelligent contribution to a discussion.
Regarding aura, why would I discuss something with someone who by their own admission doesn’t know what it is?
Carl,
Steen
You could discuss it exactly because we do not understand what it is. Many here have heard about it and believe that auras are hot air. You seem very confident that auras exist, so you could perhaps also explain what they are? But please do it in another thread. There are already two new threads for your claims: Children seeing auras and The Lemon Testcarla said:
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You certainly made enough noise about being too busy to post in the week preceding the seminar, invited Cleopatra over as your guest, and when asked point blank about an abstract you did not deny the absence of one.cogreslab said:
Why did you NOT present to the conference?
And will you be presenting at the next BEM one?
Oh, and as for inventing facts - your second harmoniser experiment is a perfect example.
The difference between the two of us is that if I did invent facts I wouldn't charge some poor mug for advertising disguised as scientific research.
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Timble said:
Wait, I'll use my psychic power to find out:
I'm getting an "M", definitely an "M"...no, it's a "T".....that looks like an "A", yes, an "A" definitely an "A". And now I'm seeing a picture of a cat....no, it's definitely a kangaroo.
Now the <strike through>cat</strike through> kangaroo is upside down. So what's associated with an "A", a kangaroo and upside down?
Ah! Could it be the Australian reseller of "implosion" devices by any chance?
Strange, now I'm seeing a Petri dish in a lab, filled with Agar.
Hmmm, Carl + Agar.....wonder what that means? Maybe I should type that into Google and see what comes up, and maybe I should add the word "implosion" just to see what happens.
Please make the million $ check out to Pragmatist!