cogreslab said:
Briefly, on your other point, if the electric power utilities had to acknowledge their product was hazardous to health they would face huge lawsuits from victims and owners of property near lines, (because it can be shown they were aware of this hazard and deliberately covered it up, so they cannot plead a "state of the art" defence, Cleopatra) and enormous costs of resiting lines or buying wayleaves. I thought that was obvious: they have the example of the tobacco companies staring them in the face.
Roger: You seem to keep confusing me with other people - no matter - but maybe you need to ease up on the magnetized water?
Your statement above appears to make sense superficially but just doesn't stand up to logic if your other claims are true.
For example, given the current evidence for and against the harmful effects of EMF's, yes, there is evidence suggesting possible correlations, and that's all. The evidence doesn't PROVE that EMF's are harmful in any way at all, it just suggests that they MAY POSSIBLY be harmful.
Secondly, if these people are so powerful (and they must be intelligent too to manage it) and capable of running such a widespread conspiracy, then they are doing a very good job of making sure that no evidence is taken to constitute a serious risk.
On that basis, they could simply announce tommorrow that although there is not any PROOF at all of any danger, that solely on the basis of their personal concern for the wellbeing of the public, yada, yada, yada....that they have decided to lower exposure limits to whatever you want. And in doing so, they are automatically the "good guys". The moment anyone TRIES to sue or demand compensation, they simply fall back upon the existing, established condition that there is no proof of any real danger at all! The point being, if they can get away with it NOW, then it will be even easier to get away with it once they have established in the public mind, the idea that they are concerned for the greater good and the public welfare. No judge is likely to punish a power company for acting over and above the call of duty, or "compensate" someone for an unproveable risk! And if these people are so smart and so powerful to set up such a comprehensive conspiracy, then surely they would see that if they believed that there WAS any chance of some real danger becoming exposed in the future, that such a course of action would protect their own interests now.
Of course that leaves the question of the cost of actually lowering emissions, resiting lines etc. Seems formidable, but don't forget that EVERYONE wants power! Who is going to give up their electricity supply if the providers have to add 2c per unit in order to fund reconstruction efforts? And again, whilst the consumer will moan about the increase, they can just argue that they need to add this cost in the greater public interest and to maintain acceptable safety standards. Who will seriously be able to argue against that? I daresay that 2c per unit would probably even be overkill in terms of the extra funding required and maybe it could be achieved with a much lower increase.
So right there, they have an easy way out, no extra effort required (at least on the part of the people at the top), no extra cost required, they get great PR, they are lauded for their responsible attitude to public safety AND they avoid all the costs and risks of maintaining the "Great Conspiracy". And not only that, they protect their existing investment and profit against the danger of future exposure and losses. They are after all business people who are not likely to take unnecessary risks with their long term investments. And it is PRECISELY the example of the tobacco companies that you cite that gives them the warnings and the incentives to do this sooner rather than later.
On the hand, if we subscribe to your world view, we have this shady group of evil conspirators who know that EMF's are deadly. Firstly, where do they live and work? If they know EMF is so deadly then you can be sure they don't live in normal houses or work in normal offices etc. So where are they? Surely they must be living in mud huts in the middle of the countryside, as far from the mains as possible? Ekeing out existences without electricity. They won't use mobile phones. They won't use normal phones either because most of those have EMF fields. Or hairdryers or hi-fi's or TV's etc., etc. So they are isolated and cut off from half the modern world. They don't go to electrified offices with air conditioners, computers, fax machines and anything else that can radiate the deadly stuff at them. Unless of course they are terminally stupid - as we know they are not because they wouldn't be able to run such a great evil Machiavellian conspiracy if they were.
I wonder how they communicate with co-conspirators? Smoke signals, or semaphores perhaps?
And then there is the conspiracy itself. A conspiracy requires minions. And minions have minions etc., etc. There's not much point in having a conspiracy if the chief honcho has to double as the head hit man! But the problem with these minions is they want to be paid. And they have to be paid a LOT, because the problem with minions in a conspiracy is that they have to pay them enough to make sure they won't turn later. And they have to cover up paper trails, evidence, the odd minion mistake and so on. It's almost impossible to run a normal legitimate company with the kind of efficiency required to run a halfway decent conspiracy because it's just so difficult to get such competent staff - unless you pay through the nose for the best. Silence is expensive. And then there is all the cost of funding biased "studies" to support the status quo. The costs of maintaining the conspiracy would probably exceed the costs of fixing the system!
And then of course they have to silence the opposition. Which costs more money etc. If they know that EMF's kill, then they are murderers. They obviously have no qualms about killing babies. So just how difficult is it to knock off the odd inconvenient "bioelectromagnetics expert"? They already have motive, means and opportunity and they couldn't possibly have any moral qualms given the situation.
The FACTS argue against all the above. I'm not aware of a sharp increase in the mortality rate of "bioelectromagnetics experts". Power company executives use mobile phones, live in modern houses with electricity and probably have more fancy electronic gadgets and toys than the best of us mere mortals! AND, as part of the icing on the cake, even the "bioelectromagnetics experts" clearly use computers, mobile phones, electrical and electronic gear - all the things that some of them are trying to convince the rest of us NOT to use because they are so deadly....!
The problem with conspiracy theories is that they are easy to spin. And they can be used to explain anything if enough paranoia is applied. It's MUCH easier to spin ad-hoc conspiracy theories than explain the REAL facts of ANY case.
I have a conspiracy theory of my own. If an evil power company wanted to spin a perfect conspiracy then rather than paying off all these minions etc., to suppress the competition, it would be much easier to simply ensure that the opposition was not credible in the first place. So perhaps the best way would be to set up fake "bioelectromagnetics experts" to discredit the whole field. They would of course have to make sure that these fake "experts" were noticed. So they'd make sure they'd be selling a nice range of highly suspect woo woo devices for a start, with all kinds of bogus claims. And they'd also make sure that their "experts" were unable to answer simple scientific questions in their claimed fields of expertise. They'd then encourage these "experts" to get themselves noticed in any way possible, like joining skeptical forums and starting arguments, and by then demonstrating their incompetence by ducking and evading straight questions, giving utterly meaningless answers and so on.
Hmmm, I'm beginning to think there really MIGHT be something to this conspiracy business after all! I think we all need to look out! I wonder who might possibly fit the above criteria?
: Had you confirmed there was only this mechanism, I would have proceeded to show mathematically that the contribution of the electrical fields is much inferior to that of the magnetic fields 
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