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I would like to thank MRC Hans for helping us promote our products! In gratitude I will give any reader of this forum a 10 percent discount! Pity Hans isn't Christian enough to say that all these come with a 60 day full money back guarantee. We get very few returns, and plenty of testimonials, but I never use these, because they are not scientific evidence.

The Asphalia project is backed by the Welsh Assembly Government and the European Regional Investment Fund incidentally, after intensive scientific investigation of our claims.

To Cleopatra: please! I do not sell crystals, and I don't sell the Phone Dome thing. I have not dodged any of the somewhat abusive questions thrown at me. Except perhaps the one asking if I have ever published a peer reviewed paper, to which the answer is yes. The normal way to check out any scientist is via the Citations Index, and most academics are judged of their output by that means (which can lead to repetitious and stale research, just for the sake of their tenure). Another easier way is to visit PubMed (Medline) via the Internet, in medically related science, and you will find my name there, though Pubmed is by no means comprehensive.
 
First of all. People buy the Phone Shield because the PhoneShield people claim that your lab has tested it and it has scientifically proven that it works as a protection.

Second I will recap the questions tomorrow for you if it is the manner that bothers you.

I bite my fingers right now not to ask you what sort of feedback you get from the dogs that use the blankets you sell.
 
cogreslab said:
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To Cleopatra: please! I do not sell crystals, and I don't sell the Phone Dome thing.
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MicroShield
Price: £39.60 Pounds Sterling (Price Includes VAT)

Reduce radiation from your mobile phone by up to 99%.
Microshield pouches for protection against cell phone radiations are arguably the most clearly demonstrable protective devices since they use a metallic mesh shielding inside a stylish leather casing to reduce radiations by around 99 percent. Shields for most cell phone models available.
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Microshield is not a crystal. It is a fine metallic mesh which cuts down the radiation on the side of the user. These meshes have been tested as effective not only by us but by other facilities. Any electronics engineer will confirm that such metallic meshes have that effect, - there is no mystery about them.

When BillHoyt agrees on this forum to stop using abusive terms to me and removes his stupid animation I will answer his self evident question. Meanwhile I consider him beneath the dignity of a reply. Sorry.
 
To cleopatra: I have already said I cannot constantly monitor all the 9000 plus websites which refer to me, and that I will speak to the PhoneShield people about this misleading reference to our lab. What more do you suggest I do? I think you are being a tad unfair to blame me for some unscrupulous third party using our good name in that way without my knowledge or consent.
 
Finally, I am just wondering: Cleopatra, have you ever yourself published a peer reviewed paper? And what was the title of your Plato-related PhD thesis? Did you get awarded a doctorate? Do not answer if you feel the questions are rude, but I am genuinely interested.
 
cogreslab said:
To cleopatra: I have already said I cannot constantly monitor all the 9000 plus websites which refer to me, and that I will speak to the PhoneShield people about this misleading reference to our lab. What more do you suggest I do? I think you are being a tad unfair to blame me for some unscrupulous third party using our good name in that way without my knowledge or consent.
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In the other thread Mr.Coghill you didn't mention that the reference of the PhoneShield people to your lab hasn't come to your attention in advance. In fact it appeared that you were quite aware of that , this is how you joined the forum to be exact.

So, if my post about the shield brought you here I have difficulties to believe that for you the site of the PhoneShield people is just one reference out of the 9000.

If am not entitled to give legal advices on line but If I were you I would consult my lawyers as to what I would have to do if people got advantage of my work.

As to your questions allow me to remark that they are sort of irrelevant because I do not sell objects that promise to protect people and the public health. You even use the legend of Atlantis to do so but I do not find your questions offensive at all of course you put them in a polite manner.Your interests flatters me. My PhD was about the perception of beauty in antiquity.

Once you claim things about the public health you must expect questions, I am sure that this must not surprize you and I am sure that this is not the first time that you are asked to reply to questions.

Since it's Bill's manner that upsets you I will re-phrase his questions. I hope you don't find offensive my manners either.
 
cogreslab said:
My dear Mr Larsen, why cannot you admit your error like a gentleman, instead of living up to the middle letters of your name? You see, I too can be offensive if I want to but it doesn't make for good science. So why don't we just concentrate on the science and leave out these childish expressions like woo and bot?
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What "error"?

This one?

cogreslab said:
Can I next deal with Mr. Larsen's rude comment that I am a fraud, by not citing the entire NRPB text. Well nor did he.
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You did say that I brought out "the full text":

cogreslab said:
CFLarsen was quite right to bring out the full text of the NRPB's point of view...
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So, no, Roger, I will not "admit" my "error", because I made none. You, on the other hand, chose to post only the part of the quote that could indicate you were right. You deliberately left out the part that proved you were wrong.

I maintain that you are a fraud. Your refusal to answer pertinent questions about your business shows this also, despite the severity of your claims.
 
"The £2000 ($3000) Coghill Challenge to power utility workers and the NRPB_ is:

Place any human infant of less than three months_ age to sleep each night for at least eight hours in an ELF electric field of 100 Volts per metre for thirty days. My studies predict that child will die, or become so seriously ill that the test will have to be called off. The NRPB and the power utilities' investigation levels by contrast_ predict there will be no adverse effect.

I will personally bet any NRPB member of staff or any_ any electric power utility worker around the world £2000 (or US$3000)_ willing to do this experiment, that my prediction will prove correct. "



What is the third choice?
When will you answer this question?
What is the third choice?

1. You don't believe what you pitch about the danger of power lines, in which case you are a fraud, or

2. You do believe in the danger of power lines, in which case you are morally bankrupt to offer money to commit infanticide.

What it the third choice?
When will you answer the question?
What is the third choice?
 
cogreslab said:
Microshield is not a crystal. It is a fine metallic mesh which cuts down the radiation on the side of the user. These meshes have been tested as effective not only by us but by other facilities. Any electronics engineer will confirm that such metallic meshes have that effect, - there is no mystery about them.

When BillHoyt agrees on this forum to stop using abusive terms to me and removes his stupid animation I will answer his self evident question. Meanwhile I consider him beneath the dignity of a reply. Sorry.
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Excuse me, but on the side of a cell-phone (practically all cellphones) facing the user is the display and the keyboard. How do you read the display and operate the keyboard through a fine metal mesh inside a stylish leather casing :confused: . Edited to add: And why does a one-shilling piece of metal mesh sell at nearly 40 quid? Must be some fine leather casing.

About me not being cristian enough to mention you money-back guarantee: This is the usual mantra; "we know it works". You can sell ANYTHING to peope with a money-back guarantee, and get few returns, especially mail-order :rolleyes:.

Hans
 
Mr. Coghill

After re-reading the two threads and “The Coghill Challenge” I have concluded that your posts pose the following problems :

After reading your challenge I see two options: either for somebody who is “sleeping in bedplaces where the ELF electric field is elevated above normal levels (say above 20 Volts per metre) there is serious ill health from chronic exposure (asthenias and leukaemias in adults, cot death in children).” [I am quoting you verbatim]

OR

Nothing of what you describe above will happen.

If the first case is right Mr. Coghill it’s not only that you are willing to put a human’s life in danger but you have given a price to a human’s life as well. You have estimated the cost of a human’s life to £2000 (or US$3000). I won't post any further comments on that because it speaks for itself. I wonder what are your thoughts though.

How seriously can be taken such a theatrical challenge? What sort of Science needs this sort of challenges?

I refuse by nature to see malice in people. I do not think for example that you set up a challenge that cannot be taken by anybody so as you can sell your products unchallenged, I choose to believe that you created those melodramatic rules in order to make people see the risks you see for the public health.

I cannot help but wondering though, if you don’t wish to dodge the issue and all you have in mind is the interests of the general public why don’t you use your own child –the very young one-- to your experiment? ( I read about it in your biography in your site : http://www.cogreslab.co.uk/cogbiog.htm )and you have a price for other people's kids that you want to protect?

If everything goes when it comes to science and public health why don’t you take the challenge in order to save your credibility?

I could make a comment about the Christian behavior you asked Hans to demonstrate but it's not really necessary it would be quite of bad taste if i did such a thing.

As to your claim that I am accusing you of selling crystals I am not accusing you of anything. This is what I read in the site:

Voila!

The PhoneShield technology was successfully tested by independent experts in Great Britain at the respected Coghill Research Laboratories which reported that The PhoneShield crystal resonator (formerly known as PhonePulse in the development stage)
"is effective in mitigating the detrimental biological effects of cell phone radiation and thus affords significant protection". Roger Coghill is an acknowledged expert on electro magnetic radiation and gave evidence to the IEGMP.”
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From here.


BTW I bought the crystal and I have stuck it on my cell. It’s a nice way to inform people about how <strike through>theatrical science </strike through> pseudoscience works.
 
Cleopatra said:
If everything goes when it comes to science and public health why don’t you take the challenge in order to save your credibility?

I could make a comment about the Christian behavior you asked Hans to demonstrate but it's not really necessary it would be quite of bad taste if i did such a thing.
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Anyway, sacrificing your own children is more Old Testament, innit?
 
JamesM said:
Anyway, sacrificing your own children is more Old Testament, innit?
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Hmmmm. Correct but if not as a believer of the Old Testament, as a classicist I wouldn't have any problem to do it for the interest of the general public....

Agamemnon sacrificed his own daughter afterall...
 
Cleopatra said:
Agamemnon sacrificed his own daughter afterall...
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And just look what happened to him (and Cassandra heh).

So surreal...so could we go on a game show, win Uri Geller's baby, subject it to the tests, and PETA wouldn't mind because we're not testing gerbils?
 
Cleopatra said:
Agamemnon sacrificed his own daughter afterall...
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Another drunken Greek rear-admiral. Jesus Christ, is there one Greek that hasn't been dust for 2000 years that you can bring up? No wonder everyone over there has a bitty drinking problem.

Fig leaves around rice. Terrific. Here, in the modern world we call that "chum". And, no, the marbles are staying right where they are, or in my backyard. You guys make me sick with your moaning and pathetic connection to a past that was characterised by yet more drinking and chasing young boys. Grow up. Get with the program and join 1000's of other Greeks. Ship out on a merchantman and jump ship in NY harbor. Make a beeline to Astoria and look for Steinway Street. Just don't say "INS" too loudly.

Sheesh.

:D (in case you didn't know)
 
Ed said:


Don't get me started again.
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Ed,

Do you see the "self-evident" answer to my questions? Is he a fraud or does his challenge ask for infanticide? What is the "self-evident" third choice he has been unable to produce for several days now?
 
Cleopatra said:
Hmmmm. Correct but if not as a believer of the Old Testament, as a classicist I wouldn't have any problem to do it for the interest of the general public....

Agamemnon sacrificed his own daughter afterall...
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Cleopatra,

Do you see the "self-evident" to my questions? Is he a fraud or does his challenge ask for infanticide? What is the "self-evident" third choice he has been unable to produce for several days now? Is it not high time to cease treating him as a mensche and start decrying his utter chutzpah?
 
JamesM said:

Anyway, sacrificing your own children is more Old Testament, innit?
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JamesM,

Do you see the "self-evident" to my questions? Is he a fraud or does his challenge ask for infanticide? What is the "self-evident" third choice he has been unable to produce for several days now?
 
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