• Quick note - the problem with Youtube videos not embedding on the forum appears to have been fixed, thanks to ZiprHead. If you do still see problems let me know.

Bill O'Reilly

thaiboxerken said:
I am not racist.

The evidence speaks otherwise. You automatically assume he's talking about someone other than a white guy. I guess in your small bigoted world only blacks steal hubcaps.
 
Tony said:
The evidence speaks otherwise. You automatically assume he's talking about someone other than a white guy. I guess in your small bigoted world only blacks steal hubcaps.

I'm not assuming anything, I didn't even mention black people. Who's the racist now?
 
thaiboxerken said:
I'm not assuming anything

Yeah you are, you're assuming he's not talking about a white guy. Like I said, you assume only people other than whites steal hubcaps.
 
I just don't see a racist hosting a fund-raiser for inner city kids.

O'Reilly claims he gives all the money raised from selling Factor gear to charity. Anyone know what charities he contributes to?

He also had an atheist on his show a while back and gave him a platform to speak his piece. O'Reilley was non-confrontational during that segment. He told the guy he was fighting an uphill battle, though, or words to that effect.
 
Yeah you are, you're assuming he's not talking about a white guy.

Yes, because the article sites his remark as being racist.

Like I said, you assume only people other than whites steal hubcaps.

This is simply a strawman.




Try not to hurt your brain by reading a little.

http://misery.blogs.com/misery/2004/05/oreillys_whos_l.html

This was a racially insensitive remark. O'Reilly was emceeing an event featuring the "Best Men," a group of sixth-to-eighth-grade African American boys. When the group was delayed getting onstage to perform a lip-synced rendition of the Four Tops standard "Reach Out (I'll Be There)." O'Reilly ad-libbed: "Does anyone know where the Best Men are? I hope they're not in the parking lot stealing our hubcaps."
 
I just don't see a racist hosting a fund-raiser for inner city kids.

I do, it's good PR.

O'Reilly claims he gives all the money raised from selling Factor gear to charity. Anyone know what charities he contributes to?

Not sure, but it's good PR.
 
Well, well, well, Here is a list of the charities O'Reilly supports.

THE HAITIAN HEALTH FOUNDATION
The Haitian Health Foundation is a registered charity that aims to improve the lives of the poor and infirm in the greater Jeremie area of Haiti with a focus on women and children.


They offer a variety of services including safe motherhood services, self-help programs, outpatient clinics, public outreach programs and also responding to emergencies and crises with humanitarian relief.


If you would like to learn more about the work they do or to make a donation, please visit their website.
 
thaiboxerken said:
I just don't see a racist hosting a fund-raiser for inner city kids.

I do, it's good PR.

O'Reilly claims he gives all the money raised from selling Factor gear to charity. Anyone know what charities he contributes to?

Not sure, but it's good PR.

So words are more important to you than deeds?
 
So I guess it's not self-evident that O'Reilly is a racist. So, I will downgrade the claim that he's a racist from fact to opinion
 
thaiboxerken said:
Yes, because the article sites his remark as being racist.

The article says no such thing. It says "racially insensitive". "Racially insensitive" (whatever the hell that means) does not equal racism.
 
Tony said:
The article says no such thing. It says "racially insensitive". "Racially insensitive" (whatever the hell that means) does not equal racism.

Your silly attempt at playing semantics with me won't work. Try arguing points instead of words.

Also, the first article uses "racist slurs" in the title.
 
thaiboxerken said:
Your silly attempt at playing semantics with me won't work. Try arguing points instead of words.

That is a point. You said the article "sites his remark as being racist." It does no such thing. The "semanitcs" bit is just a dodge.
 
Luke T. said:
Well, if the worst anyone can come up with is the hubcap joke, I'll take the deeds.

He has said quite a few "racially insensitive" remarks.
 
Tony said:
That is a point. You said the article "sites his remark as being racist." It does no such thing. The "semanitcs" bit is just a dodge.

You aren't the brightest bulb, are you? The title of the first article I posted was "O'Reilly's Racist Slurs--in Context "

Oh, and the article states "According to the Post report, some of the conservatives in the audience were aghast at the seemingly racist crack. But if anyone was shocked by O'Reilly's apparent racism, they haven't been paying much attention".
 
Looking a little farther down O'Reilly's charity page, we find that not only was he a one-time host of a Best Friends shindig, he supports them financially:

BEST FRIENDS FOUNDATION

The Best Friends Foundation promotes the well-being of adolescent girls and the prevention of teenage pregnancy by encouraging positive alternatives to premature sexual activity and illicit drug or alcohol use.

If you would like to donate, please contact:

The Best Friends Foundation
4455 Connecticut Avenue, NW
Suite 310
Washington, DC 20008
You can call them at (202) 237-8156.

You can also visit their website.

It's possible he had some familiarity with the people there and so the joke was not as insensitive as it sounds to outsiders. He might have even known the singers and made the joke understanding it wasn't even a remote possibility they were stealing hubcaps.

Following a link in the ken's blog link, we find a Washington Post story:

Best Friends founder Elayne Bennett, wife of virtues czar William Bennett, said O'Reilly has donated $60,000 to the program over the past 1 1/2 years, including a $5,000 check he handed over Saturday: "Bill has been wonderful to these boys. He puts his money where his mouth is. He's a New York guy. He was a schoolteacher in the New York City public schools. He loves these kids."
 
Tony said:
The article says no such thing. It says "racially insensitive". "Racially insensitive" (whatever the hell that means) does not equal racism.

Racially insensitive = Big Dumb Jerk (my interpretation only, of course) :p

And FWIW thaiboxerken, up above he was quoted as using the term coyotes, which is a common term for people who are paid to take illegal immigrants into the USA. So nothing there--as for the use of wetbacks, see defintion above.

I do my best to avoid O'Reilly, not because he is racist or fundamentalist or anti-atheist. I do it because he is a loud, overbearing bully of a spin-artist without much to redeem him (at least on TV, he may well be nice to his mother and give to good causes).
 

Back
Top Bottom