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Bible code theory

karmicserenade

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Please forgive me if this has already been discussed (I did do a search and failed to see anything quite like this...but then again I may not have looked closely enough!).

What do all of you think of the Bible code? I am watching a program on the History channel about this, there are various 'matrix's that supposedly predict future events and also have shown previous events (Sept 11 for example), they are also talking end of days ...it all seems really weird to me.

There is also a search engine to find various events within the bible, you would simply type in a key word in hebrew, and away you go. You could probably read any book and find a 'code' within its contents.

There are many people studying this phenomenon. So what do you think?
 
karmicserenade said:
Please forgive me if this has already been discussed (I did do a search and failed to see anything quite like this...but then again I may not have looked closely enough!).

What do all of you think of the Bible code? I am watching a program on the History channel about this, there are various 'matrix's that supposedly predict future events and also have shown previous events (Sept 11 for example), they are also talking end of days ...it all seems really weird to me.

There is also a search engine to find various events within the bible, you would simply type in a key word in hebrew, and away you go. You could probably read any book and find a 'code' within its contents.

There are many people studying this phenomenon. So what do you think?
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Total bollocks. It's diviniation by searching for random patterns; the ancient Romans used to do the same thing with the entrails of birds and the patterns the clouds made. Any apparently random sequence will display pattern-laden subsequences if you look hard enough.

As you expressed it, "you could probably read any book and find a 'code' within its contents." People have duplicated the Bible Code experiment using Moby Dick, War and Peace, and the collected lyrics of Vanilla Ice.
 
http://www.nmsr.org/biblecod.htm

I think I remember somebody initiating a 'bible code' sequence and discovering the creator of the bible code will be stabbed in the eye with a pencil the first time he sets foot in Australia. :D


We're all waiting.
 
One of the primary proponents of the Bible code stuff once said something like, "Well, I'll believe it's not real when someone can extract predictions from Moby Dick."

This was done. That they're after the fact is another clue that sets off alarms in the baloney detection kit.
 
Wouldn't you rather learn something real about the world that you live in rather than waste your life on bible-code nonsense?
 
karmicserenade said:
You could probably read any book and find a 'code' within its contents.
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drkitten said:
As you expressed it, "you could probably read any book and find a 'code' within its contents." People have duplicated the Bible Code experiment using Moby Dick, War and Peace, and the collected lyrics of Vanilla Ice.
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I recommend the bit that Jon Safran does on this in his TV series "Jon Safran vs. God". He looks at the Bible's "predictions" about Sept. 11 then finds "predictions" of the same kind in the collected lyrics of Vanilla Ice. After this, he finds "post-predictions" of the same kind in Congress' complete report on the Sept. 11 attacks about Vanilla Ice being a one-hit wonder.

Any topic, any sufficiently large body of text and any sufficiently vague method of determining similarity will give you this result.
 
The stupid thing about the bible code is there is already a code in the hebrew text. When they say that Methuselah was X years old it is a code. The hebrew letters are also used an numbers. Like 18 is 'life' ch+i and some marks that don't count.

So the bible code is stupid, there already is a code and then there is the allegorical code.
 
Ahh thanks so much for the link Library Lady :) I also felt that the very thought of intelligence agencies using this 'code' was utter lunacy! Heheh, as if!

The very fact that the bible was rewritten throughout history, would cause some serious questioning on my part. Man wrote the bible, not 'God' (*that would be debated too!) As God can work through man! hehe.

I thought the program was rather funny, that is why I watched the last half of it :P The fanatics are always entertaining (if not somewhat scary)...or how about the guy who thought he would find the Arc of the Covenant! Ohh that was rich :)
 
Yiab said:
I recommend the bit that Jon Safran does on this in his TV series "Jon Safran vs. God". He looks at the Bible's "predictions" about Sept. 11 then finds "predictions" of the same kind in the collected lyrics of Vanilla Ice. After this, he finds "post-predictions" of the same kind in Congress' complete report on the Sept. 11 attacks about Vanilla Ice being a one-hit wonder.

Any topic, any sufficiently large body of text and any sufficiently vague method of determining similarity will give you this result.
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John Safran's stuff is pretty funny, though I didn't come across that episode on youtube.
 
Beerina said:
One of the primary proponents of the Bible code stuff once said something like, "Well, I'll believe it's not real when someone can extract predictions from Moby Dick."

This was done. That they're after the fact is another clue that sets off alarms in the baloney detection kit.
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Great team work guys.

I see your point about Moby Dick. If truth is everywhere, then truth itself must be baloney.

Makes sense, ....... to you that is.

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As a (churchlessly) Christian theist, I think Bible Code divination is rank idolatry.

Within the context of most Christian teachings, it makes about as much sense, theologically, as reading the patterns from tossing communion wafers onto the altar.

This is, of course, apart from its empirical invalidity as appreciated by skeptical critical thinkers.

Respectfully,
Myriad
 
I brought this up in a previous thread that discussed this: even the curators of the "original" Hebrew text back in the Talmudic age said, "We are not experts in the extra or missing." Hebrew words can most often be written many different ways yet sound the same, both because the vowels are not part of the written text and because of the "kri-ketiv" phenomenon (in which specific words are written one way but read otherwise). So if the bearers of what would become the Masoretic text were already saying a few centuries before that the spelling in the Tanakh is not what it once was, that should already raise some eyebrows even without duplicating the results with Moby Dick.

The modern "use" of the "codes" got started in the 1930s and 40s, when a Hungarian rabbi named Weissmandel found some. In that pre-computing age that's quite an interesting feat, but not an indication of legitimacy (he never said quite how he went about it, AFAIK, and since the Nazis and their collaborators murdered him, no one really knows).
 
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