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Beyond the Doubt

Too funny.
Meaning; you will not list your evidence for your delusions on 911.

Since I have no delusions, there is no evidence of them to present.

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MM
No list? lol
As I said, you have no evidence; so you have delusions.

List your evidence. No one needs to prove you are wrong, you have to prove you have something. 8 years of failure, and you were proved wrong on 911.

If you had no delusions, you would have evidence.
 
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Wow. I posed this question legitimately, and instead of a simple honest answer, I get yet another pile of garbage from a CTer that doesn't even know how to carry a conversation, let alone have an actual debate.

MM, you basically come out and call me a coward and then run back to your corner. Then the first thing you did was whine that someone insulted you. Grow up and provide a worthwhile debate, or stay out of it. All you've done from my point of view is prove my point that the CT crowd is a bunch loonies that need their medication levels increased.
 
The burden of proof is ALWAYS on the accuser, not the othe way around. Don't pose some retarded question or theory and then ask us to disprove it. That's your job, MM.
 
Does the average CTer look beyond what they imply? Do they see some goal at the end?

I don't think they've honestly thought it through that far. Of all the ones I've seen answer the question, "What are you, personally, trying to do?", the answer is usually something along the lines of, "Trying to wake people up to the Truth!"

They seem to imagine that, if they can get belief in the CT up to some unspecified percentage of the population, people will spontaneously arise and Throw The Bums Out, without the CT proponents having to do all that messy revolutionary work themselves. The notion of such a popular uprising being both unlikely, and unlikely to work, absent a well-planned and executed strategy, seems to have passed them by.

I agree, yet to a point disagree with Horatius here. I think our fine NWO Kitty illustrator :D nailed it right on the head when he said they've not thought through things very far. They haven't; they're too busy obsessing with the minituae of their narratives to go any further. But I no longer agree that they have some notion of waking the populace up to this so-called "Truth" of theirs. Possibly a truther here and there thought that, but after nearly four years of reading and dealing with these yahoos, I no longer feel it's anywhere near being the majority's goal. For those, the goal is nothing more than simply ensconcing themselves in a position of intellectual superiority via discernment of something they believe rest of the public refuses to grasp.

That's really it.

Their behavior betrays their intents. Sure, you did have the truthers who tried to inform the public - the Loose Change trio, Steven Jones, DRG, etc. But the rank-and-file have done little else with their supposed discoveries and analyses than go to forums like this one to show off, then return to their sandboxes for continual mutual reinforcement. They've been too utterly incompetent at any other "public awareness" attempts (NYCAN, Ground Zero demonstrations, etc.) to make me believe that they took such functions seriously to begin with. And on top of that, when they proselytize, they use the same old refuted junk they always use, even when they know such talking points have long been disproven; it's an artificial way to continually re-experience the "a-ha!" moment of their own entry into conspiracy fantasy, but it still keeps alive that feeling of stumbling into a secret via rejecting what the uninformed, sheeplike public accepts as true.

Bottom line: In their heads, they may play the fantasy of waking the public up to this grand conspiracy over and over, and may have even fooled themselves into believing it, but their obvious goal is nothing more than to ego preen. If it were any more than that, they wouldn't waste so much time trying to one-up people who take the time to refute their narratives.
 
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What do they fear so much?
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Apart from the obvious fallacy (strawman...), your logic is upside down.

You seem to believe that somehow we "know" that that "OTC" is wrong and that somehow the government is responsible and evil. You are simply and flat out wrong on that.
And that is why we can't possibly be motivated by fear.
You on the oher hand, who purports to think that the evil government did it (I doubt that you do in fact believe this, but that's only an aside), should have some idea of what fears one could have. It really depends on the specific type of conspiracy you lie up.

So the really funny thing is that you call us fearful, when you should be the one who is.



Please tell us about your fears - obviously your fears have kept you from doing anything meaningful about 9/11. Have you called the police? Gone to court? Tried your luck as an independent, investigative journalist, and gone to any newspaper in your quest to win the Pulitzer?
Do let us know!
 
This is exactly like the Apollo Hoax. A few publish books, videos and put up websites. Everyone else parrots along. They don't know what their intent is or what result they hope to achieve. I have noticed a lot of Apollo Hoax followers are also 9/11 Truthers, UFO believers etc.
 
Need I quote the investigators themselves?

Are you that weak in your research?

MM

No need to. We know already the quotes you so gleefully wish to indulge us in.
However, we also know already the full stand of the selfsame investigators on the whom what, why amd how of 9/11.
None of them think, the US government did it.

Right?
 
I expected so much more from this question.

I guess it's safe to conclude the CTer's have no idea what they hope to accomplish.
 
I guess it's safe to conclude the CTer's have no idea what they hope to accomplish.
Apologies to those of you who have seen me post this before, but it's appropriate in this topic. These few paragraphs capture the gist of it, but the whole thing is worth reading.

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George Monbiot said:
Why do I bother with these morons? Because they are destroying the movements some of us have spent a long time trying to build. Those of us who believe that the crucial global issues - climate change, the Iraq war, nuclear proliferation, inequality - are insufficiently debated in parliament or congress, that corporate power stands too heavily on democracy, that war criminals, cheats and liars are not being held to account, have invested our efforts in movements outside the mainstream political process. These, we are now discovering, are peculiarly susceptible to this epidemic of gibberish.

The obvious corollorary to the belief that the Bush administration is all-powerful is that the rest of us are completely powerless. In fact it seems to me that the purpose of the "9/11 truth movement" is to be powerless. The omnipotence of the Bush regime is the coward's fantasy, an excuse for inaction used by those who don't have the stomach to engage in real political fights.

Let me give you an example. The column I wrote about Loose Change two weeks ago generated 777 posts on the Guardian Comment is Free website, which is almost a record. Most of them were furious. The response from a producer of the film, published last week, attracted 467. On the same day the Guardian published my article about a genuine, demonstrable conspiracy: a spy network feeding confidential information from an arms control campaign to Britain's biggest weapons manufacturer, BAE Systems. It drew 60 responses. The members of the 9/11 cult weren't interested. If they had been, they might have had to do something. The great virtue of a fake conspiracy is that it calls on you to do nothing.

The 9/11 conspiracy theories are a displacement activity. A displacement activity is something you do because you feel incapable of doing what you ought to do. A squirrel sees a larger squirrel stealing its horde of nuts. Instead of attacking its rival, it sinks its teeth into a tree and starts ripping it to pieces. Faced with the mountainous challenge of the real issues we must confront, the chickens in the "truth" movement focus instead on a fairytale, knowing that nothing they do or say will count, knowing that because the perpetrators don't exist, they can't fight back. They demonstrate their courage by repeatedly bayoneting a scarecrow

As for MM's cryptic comment about 2008, maybe he/she forgot that Bush didn't cancel the election or blow off a nuke. You know what they say, tell a lie enough and you start to believe it's true.
 

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