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Beyond the Doubt

Sabretooth

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This is something that has been boggling me ever since I started lurking the JREF boards a couple months back. What does a CTer hope to accomplish? I mean, what, ultimately, is the end result?

So, let us imagine that the CTer’s are right. As if in some bizarre world, they come across some undisputable piece(s) of evidence that proves one or all of the following:

-WTC1, WTC2, and WTC7 were all taken down due to a CD…
-Planes were carrying missiles and/or bombs…
-The planes were holograms for cruise missiles…
-UA93 was shot down…
-There were no planes at all…
-the Pentagon was hit with a car bomb/rockets/missiles/aliens or a combination of all of these…
-etc…etc…

Great, right? They finally prove, once and for all, that our gov’t is killing its own people!

Then…what? Everyone goes back to their day jobs? The gov’t just decides to meltdown the entire country/continent/planet because they’ve been found out? What would proving an inside job really accomplish? What is the end result?

I mean, if the gov’t or world powers were really THAT cavalier as to just destroy innocent human lives, planes, and buildings just for the sake of doing so…?

Does the average CTer look beyond what they imply? Do they see some goal at the end?
 
sabretooth47 said:
This is something that has been boggling me ever since I started lurking the JREF boards a couple months back. What does a CTer hope to accomplish? I mean, what, ultimately, is the end result?
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I believe for the average (truther) poster here this is their place to vent. They don't really have the strength of their convictions to actually do anything, this just makes them feel better. To them we ARE the government ("the man", NWO or whatever). We're the opponent. Going outside and actually doing something only leads to embarrassment (as been shown countless times).

We are it! Convince us and they ..............(I have no clue what would be next).
 
From what people here have said, I think they just want to come back and sneer "we told you so": it's about as childish as that.
 
Some of the more balanced CT folk would like see criminal charges against those who engineered the event, and some of the subsquent legislation enacted on it's behalf rolled back

I recall in the day how many saw the election of a Democratic president would formally destroy the movement. That prediction has turned out to be largely true. Although before Obama I would say they had been on life support for a good 12 - 18 months anyway
 
sabretooth47 said:
"This is something that has been boggling me ever since I started lurking the JREF boards a couple months back. What does a CTer hope to accomplish? I mean, what, ultimately, is the end result?...

...Then…what? Everyone goes back to their day jobs?

...What would proving an inside job really accomplish? What is the end result?

...Does the average CTer look beyond what they imply? Do they see some goal at the end?"
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Your questions say a lot about your attitude towards mass murder and its aftermath.

I've asked myself similar questions, only from the opposite side.

What do OCTers hope to gain by lying, bullying, insulting and obstructing in any way they can, an honest, full investigation into one of the most monumental atrocities to ever be inflicted on mankind?

What do they fear so much?

Look at the consequences of an inside job exposé and I think you'll find your answer.

F E A R.

Who are the real cowards?

Those who blindly support the notion that the Official Conspiracy Theory truly explains what happened on 9/11.

MM
 
Miragememories said:
Your questions say a lot about your attitude towards mass murder and its aftermath.

I've asked myself similar questions, only from the opposite side.

What do OCTers hope to gain by lying, bullying, insulting and obstructing in any way they can, an honest, full investigation into one of the most monumental atrocities to ever be inflicted on mankind?

What do they fear so much?

Look at the consequences of an inside job exposé and I think you'll find your answer.

F E A R.

Who are the real cowards?

Those who blindly support the notion that the Official Conspiracy Theory truly explains what happened on 9/11.

MM
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Fear of what?
 
DGM said:
I believe for the average (truther) poster here this is their place to vent. They don't really have the strength of their convictions to actually do anything, this just makes them feel better. To them we ARE the government ("the man", NWO or whatever). We're the opponent. Going outside and actually doing something only leads to embarrassment (as been shown countless times).

We are it! Convince us and they ..............(I have no clue what would be next).
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CT's are the kind of people who used to hang around on the streets mumbling and shouting at passerbys.Now they have the internet.
 
Miragememories said:
Your questions say a lot about your attitude towards mass murder and its aftermath.

I've asked myself similar questions, only from the opposite side.

What do OCTers hope to gain by lying, bullying, insulting and obstructing in any way they can, an honest, full investigation into one of the most monumental atrocities to ever be inflicted on mankind?

What do they fear so much?

Look at the consequences of an inside job exposé and I think you'll find your answer.

F E A R.

Who are the real cowards?

Those who blindly support the notion that the Official Conspiracy Theory truly explains what happened on 9/11.

MM
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There was a full investigation, you just don't like the result.
 
MG1962 said:
Some of the more balanced CT folk would like see criminal charges against those who engineered the event, and some of the subsquent legislation enacted on it's behalf rolled back

I recall in the day how many saw the election of a Democratic president would formally destroy the movement. That prediction has turned out to be largely true. Although before Obama I would say they had been on life support for a good 12 - 18 months anyway
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That 12 to 18 months tracks with the 2006 election of a Democratically controlled Congress. I've always maintained that a great number of the "Truth Movement" was artificially inflated by people who just wanted something to pin on Bush and the Republicans to get them out of office and not because they actually believed it.

If you truly believed that the "Government did it" then the simple fact that the people who "Did it" were now out of office shouldn't matter at all. Yet here we are, almost 2-4 years later (depending on whether you think that it was the Congress or the Presidency that was the tipping point for these people) and their numbers have dwindled down to almost nothing. If anything you'd think that now that "Their guys" are in power that the "Truth" surely must come out. Yet they don't push for it at all. Why is that?

In my opinion it's because they don't want to embarrass "Their Guys" now in office by showing how stupid they were for espousing such malformed opinions for political gains. What's left of the so called "Truth Movement" here in the US are the true nutjobs and the snake oil salesmen who feed off of them. We still hear the echos of the truthers who were only in it for political gains whenever we hear about 4 or more year old opinion polls being dragged out as "Proof" of their numbers without ever explaining why those numbers aren't sustained over time.
 
sabretooth47 said:
Then…what? Everyone goes back to their day jobs? The gov’t just decides to meltdown the entire country/continent/planet because they’ve been found out? What would proving an inside job really accomplish? What is the end result?
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I don't think they've honestly thought it through that far. Of all the ones I've seen answer the question, "What are you, personally, trying to do?", the answer is usually something along the lines of, "Trying to wake people up to the Truth!"

They seem to imagine that, if they can get belief in the CT up to some unspecified percentage of the population, people will spontaneously arise and Throw The Bums Out, without the CT proponents having to do all that messy revolutionary work themselves. The notion of such a popular uprising being both unlikely, and unlikely to work, absent a well-planned and executed strategy, seems to have passed them by.

Thus, hanging about on message boards, haranguing the sheeple, becomes, via some alchemical Truth process, the most effective way to get rid of the NWO. At least in their minds.
 
Miragememories said:
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Those who blindly support the notion that the Official Conspiracy Theory truly explains what happened on 9/11.

MM
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You make up lies and believe them blindly.

I used evidence to figure out 19 terrorists did 911. You use what? Delusions?

If I thought 911 was an inside job, I would have found the evidence in the first 30 days and taken action to stop those who did 911.

You can't take action because you have no evidence to back you failed claims on 911. When you find a claim made by 911 truth it always ends in a no evidence pit of ignorance.
 
Miragememories said:
Now that, is too funny!

MM
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No really. Fear of what? The truth? LOL

I have the same reaction to homeopathy and dowsing as I do to alien invasions, moon landing hoaxes and 9/11 Truth. I find it alarming and sometimes contemptible that various myths and false ideas like these are foisted upon the average citizen.

I've had several threats to my safety for daring to challenge these myths, esp 9/11 myths - i've been called a treasonous traitor and threatened that my kind will be 'dealt with' after the revolution.

Why just look at my sig quotes to see some of the horrendous stuff that is thrown our way. If there's anything I fear it's some deluded wackjob truther attacking me for expressing my opinion. Much the same as the guys who write heretical things about Islam or Christianity - gotta watch your back.

'Heiwa - 'Anyone suggesting that part C structure can one-way crush down part A structure is complicit to mass murder!' According to Heiwa a lot of us are 'complicit' to murder. Yikes!!
 
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It is rather predictable,isn't it? How I wish a CTer would come up with a detailed alternative theory,then we would have something to discuss,but it always turns out to be the modern equivalent of going to see the inmates of Bedlam.Come on truthers,surprise us!
 
Miragememories said:
Your questions say a lot about your attitude towards mass murder and its aftermath.

I've asked myself similar questions, only from the opposite side.


What do they fear so much?

Who are the real cowards?

MM
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If the American people really thought that the Bush admin engineered 9/11, and there was any real evidence to back it up, they would have been hunted down and brought to justice by the majority of patriotic, honest law enforcement people who look out for all of you.

And I would have been cheering them on in doing so. To say I disliked Bush is an understatement of great proportions. I would have LOVED to have seen Bush fall for that kind of crime. But alas he isn't guilty of that crime, so there it is.

He and his cronies did lie about the WMD's in Iraq however, and that was unforgivable. Yet he was re-elected. Not my fault - for that I blame the idiots who voted for him again. I don't even blame Bush for that.
 
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