Badlyshavedmonkey equation is dissproved!

How about you have some ethics of presenting the facts behind what you claim in your sig?

Rolfe.
 
Nothing wrong with my signature. The link gives the correct reference, and this has been verified as being identical to the text as it apparently still exists on the H'pathy server. What is your problem with this?

I have no intention of reverting to the direct link, as it now in its turn contains some broken links, which I was able to repair in the saved version. Readers should still be able to access Snoopy's disgraceful essay in all its awfulness, I believe.

Now, justify your sig or remove it.

Rolfe.
 
Sheikh, even if Rolfe had misrepresented the argument in her sig - which I do not think - it does not make your sig better! The two are not conencted. It has been made clear that you what you are claiming for the skeptic argument is completely wrong, and you cannot find a skeptic - except possibly a very stupid one - who has this position.

If you want a serious debate with skeptics, it does not help to show that you either do not want to understand skeptic arguments, or that you are unable to do so.
 
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Of course this is first of all entirely contrary to all the principles of homoeopathy, where diagnosis is held to be irrelevant and indeed impossible to achieve.
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Exactly. They just look at the symptoms exhibited and prescribe a remedy according to those.

None of this "holistic" nonsense! ;)
 
Rolfe said:
Nothing wrong with my signature. The link gives the correct reference, and this has been verified as being identical to the text as it apparently still exists on the H'pathy server. What is your problem with this?

I have no intention of reverting to the direct link, as it now in its turn contains some broken links, which I was able to repair in the saved version. Readers should still be able to access Snoopy's disgraceful essay in all its awfulness, I believe.

Now, justify your sig or remove it.

Rolfe.
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you must clarify to new members that "you can read snoopy saved thread at new website due to broken links at old sites" this will clarify the whole situation when you write "hpathy forum", my first impression was i am visiting "hpathy real forum" but actually it was not. This is a protocol to decieve new comers. when as an old member I was decieved then you can imagine about the new members. This is a ethical point, if you could understand.
 
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One more thing, if you intentionly given link to a new site by deceinving "hpathy forum" so that your IP address may not be registered or catched by hpathy team then you can remove the link from your signature.

Yes, it is true that when anybody will click on your signature link, it will land on hpathy site and hpathy site admin can see who is coming from where? And when that member will get registeration at hpathy site the admin will have the idea who that person could be.

The best idea is to change your wording as I mentioned above if you want to hide your ip.

I am not worried about my IPs. I have only one dial up connection and we have only one isp in my town.
 
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Your best idea would be to change the wording of your sig so that it tells the truth.

Rolfe.
 
this is a protocol to decieve new comers.
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as a new comer, i find it most clear where the link takes me. I have no problem understanding the context. This is not really an ethical point. The problem Dr Sheikh, with skeptics, is that when they make an argument, they tend to have evidence to back it up (otherwise they make pretty rubbish skeptics, lets face it.) New skeptics, such as myself, do tend to appreciate it when evidence is given.
 
Dr. A Sheikh said:
This is a protocol to decieve new comers. when as an old member I was decieved then you can imagine about the new members.
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How dare you accuse me of deceiving new members! Apologise for that immediately, before I report you to the moderators.

You were not deceived, you saw where the link went. However, even if you had not, in what way would you have been deceived? The saved pages contain exactly the same text as the original pages on the H'pathy server, as has been confirmed, and can be verified by anyone. Therefore, you will now apologise for accusing me of deceiving members.

You know perfectly well that the link in my sig goes to saved copies of the pages because I had believed that the originals had been deleted by the H'pathy admins. And if you don't believe me, I'll find the JREF thread where a member complains to me that the link in my sig (to the original H'pathy url) is dead, and I reply that I'll have to repair it by linking to saved copies of the pages.

And you know that the text on the saved pages is identical to the text on H'pathy, because it turns out that the original pages are still there, only the url had changed.

So, apologise, and withdraw your accusation.

I have explained that I will not change the sig link to lead back the the H'pathy server now, because some of the links in these pages are now dead, and I have been able to repair these links in the saved copy. In particular, I think readers should be able to see Snoopy's disgraceful essay where she tells sick people that real doctors will poison them, mutilate them and relieve them of their lives' savings, therefore they should see an untrained and ignorant homoeopath instead.

I'm waiting for that apology.

Rolfe.

Edited to add link to the original thread on the H'pathy server, because I found it very difficult to track down.

http://www.hpathy.com/homeopathyforums/forum_posts.asp?TID=1716&PN=26
 
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Sheikh, can you link to a saved copy of the misquotes you make in your sig, which we can verify?
 
*Backs up Rolfe*
Quiet frankly, this thread, and it's sisterthreads, are giving me a headache but I will also say that I, as a newcomer and a newbie sceptic on these forums, in no way are feeling like I'm being decieved by the links Rolfe have suplied. As such a slur like yours, Dr. Sheikh, against the honour of Rolfe is looking more and more like a desperate attempt at redirecting atention somewhere else than the subject at hand:
1: Evidence that your socalled medicine works
2: A request to explain your signature and it's origins.


Edit: Horrible punctuation. And while we are at it: Equally horrible Spelling.
 
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Rolfe said:
How dare you accuse me of deceiving new members! Apologise for that immediately, before I report you to the moderators.
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Please Moderators, do NOT ban Dr Sheikh; this would only provide him/her with an easy get-out. I'm sure that's his/her intention (although I just might be attributing too much intelligence ...)



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Oh dear me no, you'd have to do a lot more then that to get banned around here! Rapped knuckles, though, are a different matter.

Rolfe.
 
Rolfe said:
How dare you accuse me of deceiving new members! Apologise for that immediately, before I report you to the moderators.

If you wish you may please report. I will prove it that you wrongly put the link. I was decieved with your provided link. I thought I am reading hpathy forum threads but you traced my IP address with your vetpath domain. This is cheating.

You were not deceived, you saw where the link went. However, even if you had not, in what way would you have been deceived? The saved pages contain exactly the same text as the original pages on the H'pathy server, as has been confirmed, and can be verified by anyone. Therefore, you will now apologise for accusing me of deceiving members.

You know perfectly well that the link in my sig goes to saved copies of the pages because I had believed that the originals had been deleted by the H'pathy admins. And if you don't believe me, I'll find the JREF thread where a member complains to me that the link in my sig (to the original H'pathy url) is dead, and I reply that I'll have to repair it by linking to saved copies of the pages.

And you know that the text on the saved pages is identical to the text on H'pathy, because it turns out that the original pages are still there, only the url had changed.

So, apologise, and withdraw your accusation.

I have explained that I will not change the sig link to lead back the the H'pathy server now, because some of the links in these pages are now dead, and I have been able to repair these links in the saved copy. In particular, I think readers should be able to see Snoopy's disgraceful essay where she tells sick people that real doctors will poison them, mutilate them and relieve them of their lives' savings, therefore they should see an untrained and ignorant homoeopath instead.

I'm waiting for that apology.

Rolfe.

Edited to add link to the original thread on the H'pathy server, because I found it very difficult to track down.

http://www.hpathy.com/homeopathyforums/forum_posts.asp?TID=1716&PN=26
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I will never hesitate to applogise first whether I feel I am right in my opinion because I am not coming here to dishonour anybody. But in your case you are cheating in the sense that you have designed a cage to trace the IP addresses of members (old or new) who are posting at randi forum. They click at your given signature with the hope that they are clicking on hpathy forum but actually they go to a different site. This was also happend with me. If I had the idea that I may be land on vet site, I will never click on it.

Your members also accepted that you have the habit of designing such traps, just like you did with snoopy.

I think, you should appologize to all members.
 
No, I have no idea what your IP is, and I do not care.

You accused me of deceiving members, when I have deceived nobody. Now please apologise.

Also, note that I did not deceive Snoopy. I didn't even post the case at H'pathy, that was done by a poster called Naturalhealth, as you can easily see. I posted the hypothetical case here, as can be seen from the links, with full explanation of what it was all about. What then happened when Naturalhealth decided to copy that to H'pathy without my permission was no fault of mine.

Maybe some day we can discuss whether you think you can spot life-threatening symptoms reliably enough to tell people to go immediately to a real doctor. But today, I'll settle for an apology.

Rolfe.
 
you have designed a cage to trace the IP addresses of members (old or new) who are posting at randi forum
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What???
the hope that they are clicking on hpathy forum
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No. We hope for evidence of assertions, not that we get taken to a particular website. It is up to the person who clicks the link to weigh up the value of the evidence. In this case, a potential misunderstanding happened, an original link was posted as well, allowing us to weigh the evidence again. And it is exactly the same.
 
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Your members also accepted that you have the habit of designing such traps, just like you did with snoopy.
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You mean like this?
The irony of that thread was that Rolfe was entirely guiltless in the whole affair; she did not try to bait a trap for the homeopaths to answer. The homeopaths dug the pit, laid the stakes, and fell into the pit all by their own efforts.
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Can you provide a link to where anyone other than you or the rest of the homoeopaths has claimed that Rolfe is in the habit of designing such traps?

If you can't, you owe Rolfe, and the rest of the forum, another apology.
 
Blue Bubble said:
Please Moderators, do NOT ban Dr Sheikh; this would only provide him/her with an easy get-out. I'm sure that's his/her intention (although I just might be attributing too much intelligence ...)
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I am not worried about anything. Don't involve administrator in your personal trapping affairs. An administrator is that person who is a impartial judge who will only interefere when you breach any rule. It is rolfe who is breeching the rule by deceiving members to trace the IP addresses of uk based web site when she actually the link is given in the name of hpathy forum. I hope administrator will not become a party over here.
 
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