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Automatic Drawing

Lance Katcher

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Hi my name is Lance Katcher I have developed what the psychiatrist calls automatic drawing my hands can move by them selves directed by entities from well I am not quite sure I can draw smaller and faster than humanly possible with incredible detail and with both hands at the same time! The patterns and shapes of beasts ,strange animals ,Human and spirit faces sometimes Gothic and biblical art work I draw with these spirits whom I do talk and laugh with is a cross between Salvador Dali Miro Jackson Pollack Kandinsky , Picasso and many more abstract artists I am 53 and up till two years ago never did any drawing or believed in the spirit world or other dimensions .I would love to show, talk about this Phenomenon lancekatcher@yahoo.com. I forgot to mention I have seen three Psychiatrists a preacher and a rabbi all are amazed but have no idea what to say!! Except for the Last Psychiatrist who said I do not need medication I need an agent
Now Dr John Burke whom has gotten to know me
has taken the word delusionary out of his notes he say's its dangerous to dwell in the spirit world the way I do I tell him the dangerous part is over .I am living walking talking proof there is another dimension, spirit world or what ever you would like to call it I have asked the spirits,(entities, energy life) I draw with many Questions as you might Imagine and of course the answers might not always be true but they are answers. the priest and the rabbi both got flustered and a Little scared when I said my friends would answer any Questions about god and religion neither took me up on that offer. I have asked them why so bold as to let me do this they say its time with our technology we will find out soon about one of their realms ( micro realm ) and if you ask which of coarse I did why me!!!! now that's a conversation ( my friends) the spirits love to play
this game seems to be I , we draw I watch my hands move
never ceases to amaze me, they want to see how long it takes before allot of Important people Believe .the art is the proof and I am sure they want to prove they exist
I have sent out so many E-mails to Professors ,scientists, Paranormal everything meta physic anything ,Skeptics ,editors news papers Magazines, ETC. A couple have gotten back Edwin C May head of the paraphycology dept at Stanford U responded either I overwhelmed him or he is to busy and Micheal Grosso a retired Professor from The Perceptual mind studies dept at Virgina U Sort of just wished me luck This is all so True with the art you can't really see the detail on the internet we have Drawn over 500 in the past year. about 50 poster size ranging down to 8 1/2 x 11 allot this size all with the most incredible detail as small as the human eye can see it seems that everyday there are a few guest entities that draw with me
my experiences over the last 2 years are with these mischievous beings are pretty crazy
Thank you so much for listening
Lance
I have applied for the challange over a month ago and have not heard back
 
Well that certainly is a wall of text. I assume you never encountered an English major in your "spirit travels"?



Lance Katcher said:
... I draw with many Questions as you might Imagine and of course the answers might not always be true but they are answers.
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So if you draw with the question "What does two plus two equal?" and you draw a five as the answer, you're ok with that?

Lance Katcher said:
... This is all so True with the art you can't really see the detail on the internet we have Drawn over 500 in the past year. about 50 poster size ranging down to 8 1/2 x 11 allot this size all with the most incredible detail as small as the human eye can see...
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So you can't see the detail on the internet but as small as the eye can see and it has incredible detail? Hark! I hear scanners can see even better than the human eye! Why not post a few scans of your work for us?

Lance Katcher said:
...I am living walking talking proof there is another dimension...
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You have not proven anything.

Do I need to upgrade my troll spotting binoculars? Anyone?
 
Lance, automatic drawing by itself does not qualify as paranormal because it is not distinguishable from ordinary drawing. Drawing with both hands at the same time is unusual, but it is not unknown.

As for the incredible detail: how small is your pen? How small are these details? I know of artists who regularly draw with a .1 mm pen. Are you claiming to create detail smaller than the pen size?
 
I'm actually curious to see one of these pictures that mimic and blend the classical artists so well. Can you post one, by any chance?

My next thought is that none of this seems paranormal to me. A school in India is teaching children to write with both hands at the same time in different languages and even different subjects. I know that Guiness has a record on this too, though they aren't forthcoming enough to have the info web-available so you can take my word for it or discard this reference. Regardless, drawing is not beyond the bounds of reason in this regard.

Is there a way that you can prove, beyond your word, that spirits are guiding your hand in this? Is there something that they draw, for instance, that would be out of the realm of your own knowledge? I ask this because I'm sure that other skeptics here will be doing the same.

Good luck on the challenge and keep us in the loop!
 
yes and when you watch me do it you can see that detail and some other strange things like I move the pen pencil or whatever and more than one stroke appears
 
The more than one stroke thing sounds testable.

Another testing idea is for you to be blindfolded as you draw and see if it comes out with the same clarity as others. If some other entity is guiding your hand, lack of vision should have no effect on the outcome, one would think.

I'd be interested to see how any preliminary tests turn out.
 
Hi jeff and everbody else thank you so much for the responces I am so thrilled I will get back to everyone I am goig to create a website later today
 
Lance, does your ISP charge extra for using punctuation marks? Your posts are not worth the effort of reading if you can't take the time to write at least a little better than you have been.
 
Hi scholar thanks yes eyes closed eyes open doest matter if there are machines that test brain waves they wouuld see i am not in control i can just watch them do thier thing or play with them you see there has not been one person that is not amazed and everyone that knows me knows 2 years ago I never did any art
 
I lost credibility at the "three" psychiatrists thing. I'm downright religious about the liar's number theory.
 
Lance,

I would be very curious to see some of your work, so please do post scans. You should indeed talk to an agent or a gallery and try to get an exhibition.

Many people can draw. This is called "art". It is a wonderful part of human life, but there is nothing paranormal about it.

Many people can draw small, fast, and as though in a trance; in the art world this is called "obsessive art" or "obsessive drawing"---there was an exhibition of it at the American Folk Art Museum in New York in 2005. Take a look at some of the work there: http://www.folkartmuseum.org/default.asp?id=1266, or Google for Chris Hipkiss, Charles Benefiel, or Hiroyuki Doi. It's spectacular, but there is nothing paranormal about it.

Many people, also, can draw with no artistic training; again, in the art world this is called "Outsider Art". It is often spectacular, but again there is nothing paranormal about it.

However, you say that you believe that your drawing is accomplished with spirits and extra dimensions. Many people say such things: sometimes they are mistaken, sometimes they are ill, sometimes they are simply lying. It is not Randi's intention to believe anything you say about your "spirits"---if it were, he would have given the million dollars to a mistaken, ill, or lying person a long time ago. In order to qualify for Randi's challenge, you have to demonstrate that your drawing involves spirits or whatever. You have to do something (repeatably, under controlled conditions) that a non-spirit-assisted person could never, ever possibly do. Since non-spirit-assisted people can draw, can draw quickly, can draw very small pictures, can draw without training, can draw while raving, etc., these things are not considered paranormal.

If you have spirits talking to you while you draw, could you ask them questions? Could you ask the spirits, "Spirit, tell me what playing card Randi has drawn in the sealed room downstairs?", and draw their answer? How often would such an answer be correct? (Just a suggestion. Please don't say "yes" unless you have actually tested such an ability.)
 
Hi everybody it's Lance I just recived a email sayng they never recieved my application I have replied back with the tracking # from fed Express
I Am working on a web site for the pictures will have it ready by the end of day tommorow
thanks for the feedback
 
I don't see how you could possibly prove that you're not just drawing in the regular way.
 
Lance Katcher said:
Hi everybody it's Lance I just recived a email sayng they never recieved my application I have replied back with the tracking # from fed Express
I Am working on a web site for the pictures will have it ready by the end of day tommorow
thanks for the feedback
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What specifically is your claim, Lance?

How do you intend to prove it?

What would you call a successful demonstration of your ability, what would you call a failure?
 
Here's another thought. Can you start a simple drawing, let the spirits pause for a second, and then complete it? Can you predict what the drawing will look like before you do it, such as predicting it will be a copy of a smiley face?

If so, one possibility might be to be blindfolded, start the drawing, pause for a second while the paper is rotated a half, quarter or full turn or not at all, then complete the drawing. The spirits should be able to see the drawing is no longer aligned the same way, and either draw appropriately or refuse to complete unless the paper was aligned correctly. You'd need to predict the outcome would be a copy of a simple shape, otherwise you could simply say, "The spirits meant to draw the smile upside down in the middle of the forehead."
 
Lance Katcher said:
Hi everybody it's Lance I just recived a email sayng they never recieved my application I have replied back with the tracking # from fed Express
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Jeff said he'd already sent you several messages, and that you've already responded. So what gives? You said you sent in an application and never heard back. Were you lying?

I don't care if you're not claiming decent writing skills. If you can't communicate your claim, you're wasting your time. If you don't have at least an elementary school education, then I don't think you'll be able to understand and complete the application. If you are able to write adequately, please take the time to do so on this forum.
 
Pup said:
...The spirits should be able to see the drawing is no longer aligned the same way, and either draw appropriately or refuse to complete unless the paper was aligned correctly. ...
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Why do you assume the spirits can see Lance's surroundings? If it's the spirit of Picasso trying to churn out a painting that he didn't get around to while he was alive, why would he care what Lance is seeing?

If the spirit could see, then Lance could reproduce a painting which is unveiled only after Lance is blindfolded, but I don't see that Lance is making this claim.
 
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