Australia

Marduk said:
made this and thought of you
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkqQMrZKGl0
:D

and theres a question,

whats the furthest distance by sea that Aboriginals had to cross to reach Australia

;)
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I'll bet this is a trick question.

I'll bite though, and without using my Google-Fu I would have said that at most it would never have been more than a short trip in a canoe between low-lying cays.

I know that they walked to Tassie across a land bridge that disappeared about 10 000 years ago.

I also know you know about a milion times more than me about this, so I'm looking forward to your correction.


:)



ETA: Thanks for the vid link. 'twas very cool.
 
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Akhenaten said:
I'll bet between us here we can organise you a far better itinerary than any travel agency could.

Save faster. I'm looking forward to seeing you.


:)
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Thank you. And I don't do travel agencies. I usually spend time looking at maps, reading (which I've been doing all my life), and talking to locals (which I'm doing now).

It'll still be at least a year, maybe more, before I can even begin to plan this trip. My vacation's used up through mid-next year, so I have to wait for that to accrue too... :)

But thank you for making me feel welcome!
 
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Akhenaten said:
I'll bet this is a trick question.

I'll bite though, and without using my Google-Fu I would have said that at most it would never have been more than a short trip in a canoe between low-lying cays.

I know that they walked to Tassie across a land bridge that disappeared about 10 000 years ago.

I also know you know about a milion times more than me about this, so I'm looking forward to your correction.


:)



ETA: Thanks for the vid link. 'twas very cool.
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Bad guess.

It was at the very least a 90 km boat trip across the up to 3 km deep Timor Sea. And that's if they came by the shortest way.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_human_migrations#South_Asia_and_Australia
 
Damien Evans said:
Bad guess.

It was at the very least a 90 km boat trip across the up to 3 km deep Timor Sea. And that's if they came by the shortest way.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_human_migrations#South_Asia_and_Australia
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All guesses are bad. I didn't really have much hope for it.

I'll add this to your quite correct observation:


Science Daily

Geneticist Dr Peter Forster, who led the research, said: “Although it has been speculated that the populations of Australia and New Guinea came from the same ancestors, the fossil record differs so significantly it has been difficult to prove. For the first time, this evidence gives us a genetic link showing that the Australian Aboriginal and New Guinean populations are descended directly from the same specific group of people who emerged from the African migration.”

At the time of the migration, 50,000 years ago, Australia and New Guinea were joined by a land bridge and the region was also only separated from the main Eurasian land mass by narrow straits such as Wallace's Line in Indonesia. The land bridge was submerged about 8,000 years ago.
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my bolding

Wallace's Line is what Damien is referring to and is indeed, not shallow. 90 km crossing it would be a fraught couple of days, I reckon.
 
I understood that our natives are a mixture of Papuan and Indian, but the Tas. ones were all Papuan. DNA test show Indian Pakie area. The tall ones were still eating and breeding with the cully hair short Papuans when the Jardines lived on the Cape, they wrote about it and now it's in a excellent book "The Savage North". Chinese miners invaded the Parmer river for gold and got eaten in great numbers, rumor has it that they taste sweeter than whites, poor buggers. Like all history it was rough here too. The gold in that area was rich but climate is harsh.
 
Old Bob said:
I understood that our natives are a mixture of Papuan and Indian, but the Tas. ones were all Papuan. DNA test show Indian Pakie area. The tall ones were still eating and breeding with the cully hair short Papuans when the Jardines lived on the Cape, they wrote about it and now it's in a excellent book "The Savage North". Chinese miners invaded the Parmer river for gold and got eaten in great numbers, rumor has it that they taste sweeter than whites, poor buggers. Like all history it was rough here too. The gold in that area was rich but climate is harsh.
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I couldn't find references to "The Savage North" with a quick Google search - who's the author?
 
Sideroxylon said:
I couldn't find references to "The Savage North" with a quick Google search - who's the author?
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That's because I told you the wrong name, it's "The Savage Frontier" by Rodney Liddell (sorry) Lionking this is a friendly thread so grow up if you can. We have enjoyed this thread because it has been with out nasty vibes as these posts should be.
 
Old Bob said:
That's because I told you the wrong name, it's "The Savage Frontier" by Rodney Liddell (sorry) Lionking this is a friendly thread so grow up if you can. We have enjoyed this thread because it has been with out nasty vibes as these posts should be.
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Thanks for the info but why do you think this fringe account is better than the expert consensus views?

I have had a bit of a read on the publisher's site as well as a positive review but I am not impressed. My BS detector goes off in a big way when I hear absolute assertions like the following:

“The most controversial and historically accurate book” ever written on Australian history
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http://www.capeyorkbooks.com/index.htm

The irrefutable and astounding anthropological evidence that the original indigenous aborigine of Australia was of a Papuan race [Ulotrici] and not the present race of aborigines [Cymotrici] whose Pre-Dravidian ancestors invaded Australia from Southern India and Ceylon [Sri Lanka] and annihilated the original Papuan Aborigines of Australia.
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http://www.capeyorkbooks.com/books.htm

My bolding

Then to top it off we get the allegations of a cover-up and conspiracy supporting the current paradigm:
On what he calls the "greatest academic cover up the world has ever witnessed", aided and abetted by the Australian Broadcasting Corporation, Liddell states:

"It is no coincidence that many anthropologists involved in promoting this false aboriginality are the most highly paid academics in Australia...In recent years the Australian public have been subjected to a massive indoctrination campaign, designed to “Mentally Program” Australians, into accepting a mass of false and misleading information relative to the occupation of Australia by aborigines.
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http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=6967853462&topic=34610

My current view is that the book is based on the dated opinions of the last two centauries (E. R. Gribble and Professors Haddon and Elkin) while failing to give sufficient respect for evidence supporting the current consensus opinion.

I imagine the idea that Aborigines invaded this land, committed genocide and killed babies suits some because it means they don’t have to feel any guilt about the past or even for hating them today.
 
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Old Bob said:
That's because I told you the wrong name, it's "The Savage Frontier" by Rodney Liddell (sorry) Lionking this is a friendly thread so grow up if you can. We have enjoyed this thread because it has been with out nasty vibes as these posts should be.
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How many times do you have to be told? This is a skeptics forum. Rubbish posts can and will be challanged. If you don't like that bad luck, because I will not stop countering crap when I see it.
 
Kilcoy, in Queensland, Australia is the home of the legendary Yowie, a larger and more ferocious cousin of the North American Bigfoot and the Himalayan Yeti.

Yowies infest the mountainous country around Kilcoy, and in recognition of their valuable contribution to the area a large wooden statue of the creature has long been a feature of the town's main street.

Yowie.jpg

©Wikipedia


The last reported Yowie sighting in Kilcoy was in May, 2007 by Daniel Raaen, a student at the University of Queensland.


Cheers,

Dave
 
Hard to miss it, really. We didn't get it as bad in Canberra as they did in Sydney - have you seen some of the photos? But the wind and the rain came last night and washed it all onto my car.
 
Had it all day here in south east Queensland, had to turn on my lights in the morning so i could read my book without straining my eyes.

Played havoc with my asthma too.

Just my luck it happens on a day I'm working outside.
 
Sideroxylon said:
Anyone experiencing the dust storm?. I remeber the one that rolled over Melbourne in the early '80s but this looks much bigger from the pics.
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I've experienced both, being in Sydney now and in Melbourne in 1983. The difference is that the Sydney dust storm arrived overnight, with people waking up to a red morning. In 1983 the storm rolled over the city in the afternoon, freaking everybody out and crashing the telephone system as everyone tried to call loved ones.

Anyway, all is now clear in Sydney.
 
Sideroxylon said:
Anyone experiencing the dust storm?. I remeber the one that rolled over Melbourne in the early '80s but this looks much bigger from the pics.
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We coped it bad where I work. Here are some pictures taken on the Blackberry about 15 minutes apart
 

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Well the images of the dust storm made it onto the US news services. Looks pretty dramatic.....Was it as bad as the Melb storm in the 80's?
 
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