Atanus Won!

[Foolmewunz]

D'oh! I followed a link from the BoE that took me here. I think that is just the suburban Cook County numbers.

At any rate it's even more lobsided using the total numbers.

Well, I'll trade "D'oh" with you. My link is not to the BoE, but links to it, but the site is down.

 

[Regnad Kcin]

I peeked at the woman's photo, never having seen her before. Now, one should not assess a tome by its dust jacket, but my gayger-counter started clickin' like a rattlesnake at noon.

 

[TimCallahan]

Other than the fact that she won the primary, everything you just said in your post is false. Cripes jj, she is in Illinois, the home of the Democratic Machine. She will get absolutely slaughtered by Jan Shakowski.
C'mon man....

The fact is that virtually no democratic candidates had primary opponents, so lots of democrats crossed party lines to vote for this nut job, as well as to attempt to defeat Bruce Rauner.

Concerning the first hilited area: Considering what she had to say in this interview maybe that's a good thing.

Concerning the second hilited area, what is your evidence for this assertion?

 

[Brainster]

If Schakowsky's in trouble, no Democrat is safe.

Personally I doubt the bleeding will be that bad. But it may be close.

 

[The Big Dog]

Concerning the first hilited area: Considering what she had to say in this interview maybe that's a good thing.

Concerning the second hilited area, what is your evidence for this assertion?

read the thread

 

[Foolmewunz]

If Schakowsky's in trouble, no Democrat is safe.

Personally I doubt the bleeding will be that bad. But it may be close.

There will be no bleeding on the Dem side. The Dem gerrymandering of Illinois reduced the likely margin in the 9th to 66/34, just about what she won by in 2012. It's kind of a party line District. But conservatives in that area may well be of the old-school immigrant variety and many of those (particularly the Jewish ones) are not going to vote for a fundie nut job. The only way this one is close is if the mainstream GOP desert the crazies and run an "Independent" and put Mike Ditka on the ballot.

 

[TimCallahan]

Originally Posted by TimCallahan
Concerning the first hilited area: Considering what she had to say in this interview maybe that's a good thing.

Concerning the second hilited area, what is your evidence for this assertion?

read the thread

Of course, this is not an answer to my question. However, I did read the thread, just to see if I had missed something. The closest I came to finding any indication that Democrats had deliberately voted in the Republican primary was WildCat's post # 22. However, WildCat also said in that post that unions supported Dillard, which would not fit your scenario, since most union members are likely to be Democrats.

So, the question remains: What evidence do you have to support your assertion that Democrats deliberately voted for a Republican candidate who would be easy to defeat?

 

[jnelso99]

Originally Posted by TimCallahan
So, the question remains: What evidence do you have to support your assertion that Democrats deliberately voted for a Republican candidate who would be easy to defeat?

Even if they did, what's the problem? Maybe Democrats are finally learning from Republicans and using their tactics against them?

 

[The Big Dog]

However, WildCat also said in that post that unions supported Dillard, which would not fit your scenario, since most union members are likely to be Democrats.

Boggle.

So your hypothesis is that while crossing lines to vote for Dillard and against Rauner, the crossing lines democrats studied up on the other candidates and voted for the very best candidates?

Hee hee!

I cited the fact that I live in the District and numerous people told me that they had pulled a Republican ballot to vote for Dillard and were going to vote for this nutjob too.

I get that you judge that insufficient because "nae True Chicago Democrat" would every play tricks with an election!

 

[Ziggurat]

Even if they did, what's the problem? Maybe Democrats are finally learning from Republicans and using their tactics against them?

Whether or not it's a problem, it does make the original post of this thread hard to take seriously:

Hey, boys and girls, Susan Atanus won the primary, she's going to be your new representative! Given the deliberate voter disenfranchisement, the deliberate shortening of poll times, and the manipulation by the corporate masters to make sure their employees can not afford to vote, she's a shoe-in.

This is what America is coming to, and this is the face of the new reality.

No, I am not happy.

If she won the primary because of democrats crossing over to pick the worst Republican candidate, then 1) it's not a sign of Republican voters being crazy, 2) democrat voters aren't being disenfranchised, 3) she's got no chance in the general election, and 4) no, she is not "what America is coming to".

I don't know if such crossover vote is actually happening in large numbers. It wouldn't surprise me, but I don't know. But I do know that either way, jj's OP was chicken little-style hysteria.

 

[DavidJames]

Man, I love these threads. It's hilarious reading Republican sympathizers do their dance to either try and derail the thread and or excuse away the crazy Republicans. Anything but recognize the issue at hand.

The creativity is admirable, well done.

 

[The Big Dog]

Man, I love these threads. It's hilarious reading Republican sympathizers do their dance to either try and derail the thread and or excuse away the crazy Republicans. Anything but recognize the issue at hand.

The creativity is admirable, well done.

The issue at hand being the uncontroverted facts that there was substantial cross over vote in Illinois you mean?

Or that the Democratic Governor and General Assembly in Illinois are working to suppress Democratic voter participation, like was claimed in the OP?

Because THAT was *********** hilarious!

 

[Corsair 115]

If she won the primary because of democrats crossing over to pick the worst Republican candidate, then 1) it's not a sign of Republican voters being crazy, 2) democrat voters aren't being disenfranchised, 3) she's got no chance in the general election, and 4) no, she is not "what America is coming to".

And if you big "if" isn't true, what does it mean then?

Also, what about the various Republican candidates in primaries in other districts—or even Republicans who have been elected to the state or federal level—who have expressed opinions very similar to ones stated by Atanus? What does that mean?

 

[Foolmewunz]

And if you big "if" isn't true, what does it mean then?

Also, what about the various Republican candidates in primaries in other districts—or even Republicans who have been elected to the state or federal level—who have expressed opinions very similar to ones stated by Atanus? What does that mean?

The big IF is probably true. Even the Republicans in that district are probably moderates. This isn't down-state, it's the Chicago burbs. They don't do demographics by religion, but I'd bet a large number of the "white" population is Jewish. Just check the number of synagogues in the various communities in the district. I find it very likely that there was crossover vote. I don't think you have to register and I'm sure there are large numbers of "Independents" who are really in favor of one party or the other but who have chosen not to self-identify.

And yes, she's one of the extreme fundies, apparently. They exist. I don't think anyone's denying they exist. But I think they have about as much chance of electing one of their own in the Illinois 9th as they would in, say, Westchester County (burbs for NYC).

 

[The Big Dog]

The big IF is probably true. Even the Republicans in that district are probably moderates. This isn't down-state, it's the Chicago burbs. They don't do demographics by religion, but I'd bet a large number of the "white" population is Jewish. Just check the number of synagogues in the various communities in the district. I find it very likely that there was crossover vote. I don't think you have to register and I'm sure there are large numbers of "Independents" who are really in favor of one party or the other but who have chosen not to self-identify.

And yes, she's one of the extreme fundies, apparently. They exist. I don't think anyone's denying they exist. But I think they have about as much chance of electing one of their own in the Illinois 9th as they would in, say, Westchester County (burbs for NYC).

How, it is weird to have someone in Thailand speculate about what happened when I am sitting right in the middle of the district and nobody pays me no never mind because of partisan silliness.

It is a heavily democratic district with lakefront liberals, black neighborhoods and inner ring old suburban blue collar workers heavily outweighing wealthy districts in Wilmette and park ridge. The republicans are typically extremely well educated, in fact at one time Wilmette had the highest proportion of people with advanced degrees in the country.

 

[SezMe]

How, it is weird to have someone in Thailand speculate about what happened when I am sitting right in the middle of the district and nobody pays me no never mind because of partisan silliness.

I'll speculate:

1. Nobody gives you credit for particular insight and knowledge simply because you live in the district. After all, as WildCat has demonstrated, demographics and political statistics are just as available to you as to someone in Thailand.

2. Others have seen the "partisan silliness" that you yourself have engaged in and so discount your posts.

Again, speculation.

 

[The Big Dog]

I'll speculate:

1. Nobody gives you credit for particular insight and knowledge simply because you live in the district. After all, as WildCat has demonstrated, demographics and political statistics are just as available to you as to someone in Thailand.

2. Others have seen the "partisan silliness" that you yourself have engaged in and so discount your posts.

Again, speculation.

Wow, you managed to cut off my summary of the actual dynamics of the district without even attempting to address them and yet included an unwarranted personal attack. Fascinating!

Absolutely fantastic thread. Hey ya dumb guy from Illinois, we'll tell you what is actually going on in Illinois! Hee hee!

 

[Foolmewunz]

How, it is weird to have someone in Thailand speculate about what happened when I am sitting right in the middle of the district and nobody pays me no never mind because of partisan silliness.

It is a heavily democratic district with lakefront liberals, black neighborhoods and inner ring old suburban blue collar workers heavily outweighing wealthy districts in Wilmette and park ridge. The republicans are typically extremely well educated, in fact at one time Wilmette had the highest proportion of people with advanced degrees in the country.

What does my location have to do with anything? Read my posts and tell me where I've erred in my analysis of the district, please. You are more or less agreeing with me, but have seen a red flag because I don't accept anecdotal evidence? Would you accept JJ's anecdotal evidence of his district? We are on different sides of the political spectrum (you and I) but I'm pretty much agreeing with the potential for what you've said and WC has said as being accurate. I just wanted something like the GOP always leaves around... like a trail of emails or a circular sent door-to-door.

 

[The Big Dog]

What does my location have to do with anything? Read my posts and tell me where I've erred in my analysis of the district, please. You are more or less agreeing with me, but have seen a red flag because I don't accept anecdotal evidence? Would you accept JJ's anecdotal evidence of his district? We are on different sides of the political spectrum (you and I) but I'm pretty much agreeing with the potential for what you've said and WC has said as being accurate. I just wanted something like the GOP always leaves around... like a trail of emails or a circular sent door-to-door.

Lighten up champ, I never said I disagreed.

Now if jj said how his district was? Hmmm, in that case I will have to admit that I would look for stories in the news of of brimstone, and lightning the sky falling and the forcible take over of Congress by rogue bands of evil republicans before accepting his claims.

C'mon folks, you are talking about Chicago and Cook County Illinois. It is the most corrupt place in the country and you guys are wringing your hands about the thought that some democrats might have crossed over and voted for the nut job? Lolz!

The naïveté is charming.

 

[Foolmewunz]

Lighten up champ, I never said I disagreed.

Now if jj said how his district was? Hmmm, in that case I will have to admit that I would look for stories in the news of of brimstone, and lightning the sky falling and the forcible take over of Congress by rogue bands of evil republicans before accepting his claims.

C'mon folks, you are talking about Chicago and Cook County Illinois. It is the most corrupt place in the country and you guys are wringing your hands about the thought that some democrats might have crossed over and voted for the nut job? Lolz!

The naïveté is charming.

No one is actually wringing their hands. Several of us have pointed out the JJ is probably being a little melodramatic about the possible outcome. JJ? Melodramatic? Say it ain't so!

Meh? I think it's funny. A lot funnier than bogus websites trying to suck money from people who don't read the fine print or campaign organizations sending out flyers telling people the wrong polling station to vote at. This was a street corner suburban movement, sort of crabgrassroots! These folks, if they did this, actually went to the trouble to help nominate a complete loon.

The Dem seat was never in jeopardy. But this brings the entertainment potential up quite dramatically. As I said, I want her to call in The Fundie Forces and get Ted Cruz and Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachmann to come to town and get a whole lot of publicity only to wake up the day after the elections to find yet another reason that the mainstream GOP needs to run far away from the nutbar right wing in 2016. If they don't, expect the same thing in 2016. The paleolithic nutcases will take a few surprise victories but lose the White House, some more Senate seats and some more in the House.