Assistance required for telepathy proof
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desertgal
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Or perhaps it was "Wow, this guy is really delusional. Let's not encourage him."
Just guessing.
Squeegee Beckenheim
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There is a simple explanation - you're not telepathic.
Going by the data that you've posted here yourself, both your doctor and the university were making perfect sense.
Then why ask me my opinion? This is why I do not answer many subjective questions, it is is my opinion against a bunch of opinionated option givers who will never agree. I will never get anywhere with it so I don’t try to.. All I have to do is carry out some more objective testing.
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I think you don't answer questions because a part of you realizes the answers don't make a damn bit of sense. As for objectively testing, if you are to be believed then:
1) You failed tests at a university. This is proof that you are telepathic.
2) You did a test with your doctor where the protocol was not followed and got a single 50/50 guess correct. This is proof you are telepathic.
3) You've been doing tests with volunteers and fared exactly as chance would predict. This is proof you are telepathic.
None of that makes a single damn bit of sense.
What's up with the police issue?
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I think one of the things everyone is wondering, golfy, is why? Why would we conduct this elaborate ruse to lie to you when you're already fully aware that you're telepathic? Why not just admit it to you, possibly for financial gain, and quit with the illuminati shenanigans?
I assume money could not be a consideration, otherwise I'll happily split the million with you. They pay me jack all, 500k would go a long way for me, even after taxes. Hell, I'll help you test it for free. Would you be amenable to that? I'm thinking we can both send strings of numbers (1-100) to a third party to compare. Something like that.
Would physical harm be a consideration? If you were to point a gun at someone and demand they guess the number you're thinking of, would they lie? Would the second victim lie to you? How many bodies would you need to burn through before you begin to doubt your telepathy? Or would you assure yourself that, yes, every single person feels that preserving the grand conspiracy is worth the cost of their life?
I assume money could not be a consideration, otherwise I'll happily split the million with you. They pay me jack all, 500k would go a long way for me, even after taxes. Hell, I'll help you test it for free. Would you be amenable to that? I'm thinking we can both send strings of numbers (1-100) to a third party to compare. Something like that.
Would physical harm be a consideration? If you were to point a gun at someone and demand they guess the number you're thinking of, would they lie? Would the second victim lie to you? How many bodies would you need to burn through before you begin to doubt your telepathy? Or would you assure yourself that, yes, every single person feels that preserving the grand conspiracy is worth the cost of their life?
desertgal
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You brought all this here, and titled the thread "Assistance Required For Telepathy Proof". Since then, you've rejected pretty much every attempt at assistance.
There will be no proof that you are telepathic, because you simply aren't. In your world, there can be no objective testing, because you refuse to believe the reality that you aren't telepathic. You will twist any and all results to fit your delusional belief. The world can't hear you, and they aren't lying when they say that.
Run along now.
Let's not suggest experiments like that one, okay? With someone who is already convinced that everyone he knows is actively lying to him, I think it's best to not even bring up anything violent.
Squeegee Beckenheim
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No, the reason you've refused to answer the reasonable questions put to you is that if you were to do anything other than dismiss them out of hand you'd have to examine your delusion, and you're afraid that you'd realise it's not true.
You have carried out no objective testing. You constantly manipulate the data you acquire in order to make it fit the conclusion you want it to fit. That's not objective testing, that's lying to yourself.
John Jones
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Whence? You already wrote this lot off as mockers and liars.
Where will you find someone you won't immediately dismiss if you already know they can read your thoughts and will inevitably lie about it?
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John Jones
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Then why ask us for help? You already know we can read your thoughts and will lie about it without exception.
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Eh, crazies gonna craze either way. If golfy's truly so unstable that a suggestion from the internet is enough to push him over the edge (very unlikely), he's probably already gathering the bomb materials even without this conversation. I figure a scientific mentality could only limit the collateral damage. If he's not that unstable, maybe an shockingly extreme suggestion may finally ram it home that, no, we aren't lying to him after all.
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I know the answer to this one. Golfy's actually given an answer to this.
His ability to send thoughts is unique in the world and worth $1 million if he can prove it. The ability to hear his thoughts is as common as dirt. Everyone can do it. Why would you be entitled to any part of his $1 million for doing something everyone can do? (In case it's not clear, no one else is able to send their thoughts, or Golfy could hear them, and he can't hear anyone else's.)
Which begs the question: is not the ability to overcome the worldwide bias against admitting you hear Golfy worth a few dollars? It would seem that, beyond willingness, the ability to be honest about this should be worth something. We all want to admit the truth, it's just not possible for us.
Or maybe there's another explanation...?
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Yes, or as has been pointed out, perhaps it was, "What the hell is this guy talking about?" and your brain interpreting the reaction to fit what you already believed.
Golfy, why do you spend time here showing us how determined you are to prove your telepathic powers through complex tests, if we already know whether we can hear your thoughts or not? If you are telepathic as you say, then everyone knows this. Would you agree? Why then would you need to prove it to us--or to the JREF and Randi and everyone else--through some test?
If you are trying to prove it because you believe that there are some people out there who aren't conspiring against you who you want to convince, why can't you communicate to them directly through telepathy?
I think you are a smart guy, and I think if you consider these questions and many of the others posted in this thread honestly you can see why your position doesn't make sense to an objective observer.
Pixel42
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I can. They were extremely doubtful that telepathy exists, but fair-minded enough to give you the opportunity to prove your claim. If you did it would be utterly fascinating and a source of endless funding for them.
They stopped testing when it became clear that (a) you were not telepathic and (b) there was no amount of fair testing that would ever convince you of that.
Any number of negative or inconclusive results will never equal proof.
Akhenaten
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Well we can't ask them, can we? We have no idea who you are, who specifically conducted the 'tests' or when this whole episode was alleged to have taken place. Even if we had these details (maybe you could transmit them to us?) there would still be confidentiality issues to get around.
How about if I just make up a quick scenario instead and you can offer corrections?
*ring ring . . . ring ring*
Golfy: Hello, is this the University?
University Person: Yes. How may I help you?
Golfy: I'd like you to test me.
UP: Certainly, Sir. We're always happy to help. Come straight in.
Golfy: That's a lie! Anyway, I have my own GSR and I'll be right there. Catship!
UP: Right back at you, Mr Gol . . . I mean, whoever you are. See you soon.
*click*
Golfy: Hello, is this the University?
University Person: Yes. How may I help you?
Golfy: I'd like you to test me.
UP: Certainly, Sir. We're always happy to help. Come straight in.
Golfy: That's a lie! Anyway, I have my own GSR and I'll be right there. Catship!
UP: Right back at you, Mr Gol . . . I mean, whoever you are. See you soon.
*click*
It wasn't quite like that, was it, Golfy? How about if you just answer the question this time and put an end to this wild speculation that seems to have broken out.
Because that's what university studies are noted for, isn't it? Terminating at the first sign of progress.
Balderdash.
That last sentence ecapsulates the wrong-headed approach you're taking to this.
You don't 'know' something in advance and then 'prove' it. The correct order of events is that you prove something (or at least obtain a whole swag of evidence for it) and then you can be said to know it.
Golfy, I've listened to the audio recording. Your Doctor was making sense throughout. I'm willing to bet the University did too, but getting to the bottom of that story is starting to seem as unlikely as Sean getting an answer to his repeated enquiries about your progress with the "police issue".
In the University plots, if I had the 3 spikes in 3 seperate "activate" zones, would you consider that as some kind of proof compared to what I actually did get as it would have fitted the protocol?
The University did comment that they had never had results like this and did test 250 different people.
Just enquiring on your opinion out of interests as I would like to know what you would consider as possible proof.
golfy
The University did comment that they had never had results like this and did test 250 different people.
Just enquiring on your opinion out of interests as I would like to know what you would consider as possible proof.
golfy
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Akhenaten
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I'll just bet they did.
Proofs are for mathematics and are not subject to my opinions or considerations.
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