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Artificial Life

Smarmy: Such a great mind -- self-described, of course -- wasted on puerile and infantile personal attacks.
 
Originally posted by hammegk

The perceived and perceiving body provides I/O & computation; the question is what evaluates and uses the I/O and computation.
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I smell infinite regress.
 
Originally posted by hammegk

Perhaps, if what-is is infinitely divisible
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Nested homunculi are a reductionist's nightmare (figuratively speaking).
 
Literally, too.

Although M-Theory seems to imply that with the correct transformation R and 1/R yield the same result (R increasing or decreasing without limit).
 
Here, I think 'infinite divisibility' may be an indicator of fundamentally flawed assumptions. If the results of repeated efforts to reduce a black box to its atomic elements promise never to produce anything beyond:... "these atomic elements -- plus another black box"... then it may be that we are asking the wrong questions.
 
Originally posted by hammegk Thought exists. Prove, or disprove that, or make a counterclaim.
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You claimed thought exists, the burden of proof is on you.
I can't prove thought doesn't exist. Oh and I can pass the Turing Test.
 
hammegk said:


Right after you prove you think, dream, and "exist".

Thought exists. Prove, or disprove that, or make a counterclaim.
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How is this relevant? This thread was about artifical life. Nobody suggested that we were on the verge of making sentient life. Bacteria don't think or dream (probably) but are they any less alive?
 
bewareofdogmas said:

You claimed thought exists, the burden of proof is on you.
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I agree I can't verify *I* think, but something sentient must. I prefer to accept *I* think. I can no more prove -- to you -- that I think anymore than I can prove to you I dream (or even exist for that matter).

Actually, the best I can do is deny any use for the position of nihilism.


I can't prove thought doesn't exist. Oh and I can pass the Turing Test.
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Nope, nor can you prove -- to me, you, or anything/anyone -- that thought doesn't exist. As a denial of any utility of solipsism, I agree you seem to think, as *I* *know* I seem to.

The Turing Test will never prove, or disprove, thought as an existent.



Dymanic: Yes, the Question is "what is the question". If GR and QM are simultaneously correct, logic fails, and this universe is much stranger than we think, imnsho.


Back to artificial life, the concept itself is either 100% materialism (or at worst, dualism). An idealist can say (unprovably) Life IS what exists.
 
Let me guess: now he's refusing to explain what 'thought' is, even though he uses it as frequently as possible, right?
 
Yup, Smarmy is someone for whom the word "thought" would require a definition. :(
 
hammegk's problem is that he's introduced a false duality into his choice of monisms. Instead of claiming that we must choose between thought and non-thought, he should have realized he was ignoring flarn. When we choose flarn as our monism-of-choice, we find that the others become illogical as we all agree. The question then becomes whether the stupid, arrogant scientists (aka materialist atheists) can explain the world from the flarn conundrum to the satisfaction of the subjecflarn flarnealists.

Perhaps you would be interflarn in flarning the flarnflarn? Flarn flarn flarn flarn.
 
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I can't prove thought doesn't exist. Oh and I can pass the Turing Test.-BoD
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Nope, nor can you prove -- to me, you, or anything/anyone -- that thought doesn't exist.-hammegk



Did you even read what I wrote?


An idealist can say (unprovably) Life IS what exists.-hammegk


I can say I can fly like Superman(tm) but unless I can prove it you'd be a fool to believe me. Oh... and welcome to Ignore.
 
Some people are so idiotic they can't differentiate between things like non-life & life, thought & no-thought, and the existence of comic book characters, the easter bunny, santa, & ipus.

Some of ya'all may be "artificial life".
 
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